Jogeephus wrote: herofan wrote:
I agree that many still are and that respect is earned not given. I think the general perception of teachers vacillates with the involvement the teachers have with their union. When the union is upset and wanting more and teachers are doing better with their pay and benefits than the average person this just looks bad.
Personally, I think a teacher should make more than someone at an “average job.” Of course, I’m sure the definition of average could be an entirely different topic, but I see nothing wrong with teachers making more than the manager of McDonalds. I guess it shows priorities in the country.
I live in a rural area, so I don’t know opportunities in cities, but in my area, teachers make more than regular workers at fast food restaurants, department stores, and things like that. We don’t make more than the managers, major factories, or any other college graduates who have utilized their degree.
Your question was about why has the opinion of teachers changed and I tried to answer that with the union scenario. I didn't make this up but gleaned it from reading an article written by NPR and it made a lot of sense with the ebb and tide of opinions toward teachers based on when the union was most vocal. In my view, teachers are paid very well in my area and I don't resent them making decent money but what I and many other parents don't like are the deadbeat teachers who scam the system and the system - because of the union or some other thing - will or can not fire them. This, I think puts mud on the faces of all the teachers. Then there is the football coach who makes $120,000 a year. Or the school superintendent's daughter who makes $60,000/year for working - or actually not working - one day a week while school was in session. That's pretty good pay if you ask me.
Now when I overthrow this regime and become dictator of JoMerika, I'll put these things in balance as I'd prefer to see math and chemistry teachers making the $120,000 and I'll leave the football coaching to any parents that want to volunteer for the job because from watching the stands most parents know more about coaching than the coach does anyway. I'll also make it illegal for schools - or any government entity for that matter - to allow nepotism - except Kentucky because I've gathered that would be impossible from reading BR's posts.
I must say, if there is crap like that going on at the schools you are familiar with, then they should certainly be shown the door. I can't even relate to the negative things that people discuss about schools here. I've never taught anywhere besides the school I'm at, so t's normal to me, but apparently I should be truly thankful. People just couldn't get away with that kind of stuff where I'm from. The Superintendent would be run out of town on a rail.
I believe our coaches get paid $6,000 for Basketball and Football, and other sports are $2,000. A beginning teacher with a bachelor's degree starts around $35,000, and anyone who has taught 29plus years with the maximum education of a Rank I gets around $60,000. I don't suppose anyone will starve on that, but it isn't exactly "overpaid" by any means. Our local Pizza Hut manager makes in the $70s.
I don't understand the "union" thing either. I don't think the union has ever been involved in anything directly at our school. If a teacher truly is a deadbeat, there is nothing a union could do in our area. Teachers have "walk-throughs" and formal observations. I also believe a Principal gets some idea of what a teacher is like just by passing their classroom on a regular basis. There is no way a teacher could "not do their job" regularly at our school. They would be gone.