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Postby Randi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:29 pm

Have any of you ever had a Massage Therapist work on a cow?

I have a Massage/Bodywork woman that comes and works on my horses. I've seen amazing results. So I asked her one day, did she ever works on cows...

So we had a 2 year old come in this fall, and she would skip/hop when she trotted, on the hind end. Rather than just cull her, as she is young and bred, I thought it might be an idea to have her worked on. As it turned out, she had a rotated pelvis, and has been moving pretty normally since (3 weeks). She's scheduled to have another session, hopefully the end of January.

My thoughts are, if it can be fixed, and I don't have to cull a young (or even older) cow because of it....$80 is pretty cheap when you consider probably under $800 for cull, and $2000+ to replace her.
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Postby Nesikep » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:37 pm

Not available in my area, like anything else... On an exceptional cow I'd give it a shot.
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Postby Randi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:44 pm

Nesikep wrote:Not available in my area, like anything else... On an exceptional cow I'd give it a shot.


Well, my lady drives 4 hours to get to my place. But I generally have her working on some horses. Most of the ponies are good to go now though...
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Postby Bright Raven » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:44 pm

I have not but watched one work on a bull when I was at Fire Sweep Simmentals.

Personally, I am a skeptic. I even think chiropractic therapy is pseudoscience.

A soil scientist who worked on a Federal Facility that I managed in Denver ( she was only in her 30s) went to a chiropractor for a stiff neck. He twisted her neck, pinched the artery between the axis and atlas cervical vertebra. It caused a small laceration. On her way home, she lost coordination and even most of her vision. She recovered.

I think soft tissue massage is helpful if done responsibly.

If it works, do it.
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Postby Randi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:48 pm

Bright Raven wrote:I have not but watched one work on a bull when I was at Fire Sweep Simmentals.

Personally, I am a skeptic. I even think chiropractic therapy is pseudoscience.

A soil scientist who worked on a Federal Facility that I managed in Denver ( she was only in her 30s) went to a chiropractor for a stiff neck. He twisted her neck, pinched the carotid artery between the axis and atlas cervical vertebra. It caused a small laceration. On her way home, she lost coordination and even most of her vision. She recovered.

I think soft tissue massage is helpful if done responsibly.

If it works, do it.


Not talking Chiro here, just Massage therapy and Myofascial work.

The thing is I've had massage therapy done on myself, and I know it works. I mean you go in and can hardly move or turn your neck, and you come out and you're 90% better. Have seen it work on the horses, had one dragging his back feet, once worked on 1 time and he's got suspension in his stride. And now this cow. She would literally hop with her back feet whenever she trotted. Afterwards, she's walking and trotting pretty normally.
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Postby Bright Raven » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:56 pm

Randi wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I have not but watched one work on a bull when I was at Fire Sweep Simmentals.

Personally, I am a skeptic. I even think chiropractic therapy is pseudoscience.

A soil scientist who worked on a Federal Facility that I managed in Denver ( she was only in her 30s) went to a chiropractor for a stiff neck. He twisted her neck, pinched the artery between the axis and atlas cervical vertebra. It caused a small laceration. On her way home, she lost coordination and even most of her vision. She recovered.

I think soft tissue massage is helpful if done responsibly.

If it works, do it.


Not talking Chiro here, just Massage therapy and Myofascial work.

The thing is I've had massage therapy done on myself, and I know it works. I mean you go in and can hardly move or turn your neck, and you come out and you're 90% better. Have seen it work on the horses, had one dragging his back feet, once worked on 1 time and he's got suspension in his stride. And now this cow. She would literally hop with her back feet whenever she trotted. Afterwards, she's walking and trotting pretty normally.


Yes. I understand. If it worked, I would say well done.

I am skeptical when they are attempting to improve bone conditions such as malalignments, etc.
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Postby ALACOWMAN » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:37 pm

Randi wrote:
Nesikep wrote:Not available in my area, like anything else... On an exceptional cow I'd give it a shot.


Well, my lady drives 4 hours to get to my place. But I generally have her working on some horses. Most of the ponies are good to go now though...

80 dollars and drive 4 hours to get there ?.. Id pay her just for showing up..I've heard of guys rolling them on 55 gal. Drums like inter segmental traction.. And it worked
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Postby Randi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:45 pm

Well, if we don't have enough work for her, she charges mileage. I try very hard to line up enough clients ;-)
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Re: Massage Therapy

Postby Nesikep » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:54 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Randi wrote:
Nesikep wrote:Not available in my area, like anything else... On an exceptional cow I'd give it a shot.


Well, my lady drives 4 hours to get to my place. But I generally have her working on some horses. Most of the ponies are good to go now though...

80 dollars and drive 4 hours to get there ?.. Id pay her just for showing up..I've heard of guys rolling them on 55 gal. Drums like inter segmental traction.. And it worked

I can't picture this.. at all.. explain?
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Postby ALACOWMAN » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:19 pm

Cow down a couple days and couldn't get up, after pulling calf...man lifted cow and sit cow on drum.""with drum laying on side"""and put cow down on it,on her stomach....friend helped him roll the cow back and forth,several times... The result was her running them,, out of the pasture...
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Re: Massage Therapy

Postby Son of Butch » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:58 pm

Randi wrote:Have any of you ever had a Massage Therapist work on a cow?

So we had a 2 year old come in this fall, and she would skip/hop when she trotted, on the hind end.
Rather than just cull her, as she is young and bred....

My thoughts are, if it can be fixed, and I don't have to cull a young (or even older) cow because of it....
$80 is pretty cheap when you consider probably under $800 for cull, and $2000+ to replace her.

Sell her for $2,000 NOW that she's all fixed up.
Problem young cows get worse with age.
Buy another that doesn't need $80 massages twice per year.
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Postby Randi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:42 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Randi wrote:Have any of you ever had a Massage Therapist work on a cow?

So we had a 2 year old come in this fall, and she would skip/hop when she trotted, on the hind end.
Rather than just cull her, as she is young and bred....

My thoughts are, if it can be fixed, and I don't have to cull a young (or even older) cow because of it....
$80 is pretty cheap when you consider probably under $800 for cull, and $2000+ to replace her.

Sell her for $2,000 NOW that she's all fixed up.
Problem young cows get worse with age.
Buy another that doesn't need $80 massages twice per year.


Well, we will see. Just because she needed a little assistance once doesn't make me want to cull her. if it happens again, sure. but if the bull hurt her or she slipped and fell, it is likely a one time thing.
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Postby Bigfoot » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:03 pm

I know I'm talking about chiro, and not massage, but I used to be skeptical. I have a horse adjusted every 6 weeks, and 4 would probably be better. He'd be retired without it, and brings home checks with it. Mine is done by a DVM. He's always out in 2 lumbar vertebrae, and 3 in his neck every time we go.
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Postby farmerjan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:48 pm

I test for a small (12 cow) herd that is all registered. He had one of his VERY EXPENSIVE cows start to limp and walk very stiff. They were going to flush her. Got a horse vet that does acupuncture and chiro work. They adjusted her spine and leg and did it several times in 2 weeks. She started walking normal. Then a few days after the last adjustment they flushed her and got a record number of # 1 eggs. This cow sold 1/2 ownership for over 500,000. This farmer had bred her and retained the other 1/2 and there were stipulations in the contract as to flushing and embryos etc so it was in his best interest to get her back healthy. This was about 6-7 years ago. She is still there, and they are still getting embryo's out of her and she is now 16 I think. The thing is her daughter was sold, then bought back a couple of years later because she had been injured at the other farm. Then she calved and was paralyzed. They got a sling under her, picked her up 3 times a day for 6 weeks. Milked her in a bucket and the horse chiro vet worked on her. She got stronger and by the end of the 6 weeks she could stand on her own once up. By 8 weeks post calving, she was back in the barn in her box stall and went on and produced many eggs and embryo's also. She died this past year at 14.

So yes, I am a big believer. I know that even with the ankle issues and knees, when I go to my chiropractor, I come out feeling better. If I could afford it I would go once or twice a week.
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Re: Massage Therapy

Postby farmerjan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:50 pm

I didn't mention that not only did they do chiro on that cow, but also some type of massage therapy too. Vet said it worked better in tandem than alone in most cases.
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