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Re: Freeze branding

Postby bse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:31 pm

Until it evaporates its good, not sure how long it may last, you can keep using the Methanol for several times, just add more dry ice
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Boot Jack Bulls » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:28 pm

Tbrake wrote:
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Would this one work? Price isn’t too bad.
For the people who use dry ice, where do you get it? What does it cost? How long will it keep in a strafoam cooler? Could I put it in a yeti cooler? I have one of those that has never been used in 3 years.


We have a set of those and love them. Make sure you can get surgical blades for them.... we only use them to fit cattle.
Can you get 99% alcohol? That is what we use, with the dry ice. 1 minute on the hide...

Is says comes with free ultra edge blade set, is that what I’m needing?


No. That is a blocking blade. They are designed to take off guard hairs and "carve" a profile. Look for a number 30, 40, or 50 blade for an A5 type clipper. You can get away with a number 7 or 10 too, you just have to make several passes at the area to get the same effect. I prefer to just make do with a number 10 since I can use them for other jobs also and don't end up with $35+ blade that only gets used once a year...
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby wbvs58 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:54 pm

I used pelleted dry ice which was very small pea sized and worked great to cool things down but did disappear quickly and was difficult to decant the alcohol off after and left with the alcohol was gone overnight. This year I will try the sheets or blocks broken up, I see it used on youtube videos so should work and it will be easier to separate off to use the next day. I used to use dry ice blocks to freeze fish I caught when camping on the islands and it would last 10 days no problem but was kept dry.

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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Tbrake » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:12 pm

Thank you everyone for the reply’s. Last question, does the temperature effect the brand? Going to get cold again next week, so I should have time to brand them.
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby pdfangus » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:37 am

Yes temperature is a factor....I learned much to late in life that branding weanlings in late may or early june was a contributing factor to my inconsistent results....

much better results freeze branding in winter......

I also never reused the alcohol....used alcohol I would save and use it for wiping off the branding site before applying the iron...always used new alcohol for the dry ice.

I also have a battery clock that hangs over my chute....

Sourcing dry ice got to be a problem for me....first the dry ice plant in town closed...finally found it in a grocery store but then the grocery chain was sold....would have to start looking again if I were to resume branding...because I have no idea where to find dry ice locally now. I used to buy the dry ice the day before branding and keep in a good cooler and about a third of it would be gone when I was ready to use it...
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby wbvs58 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:36 pm

pdfangus wrote:Yes temperature is a factor....I learned much to late in life that branding weanlings in late may or early june was a contributing factor to my inconsistent results....

much better results freeze branding in winter......

I also never reused the alcohol....used alcohol I would save and use it for wiping off the branding site before applying the iron...always used new alcohol for the dry ice.

I also have a battery clock that hangs over my chute....

Sourcing dry ice got to be a problem for me....first the dry ice plant in town closed...finally found it in a grocery store but then the grocery chain was sold....would have to start looking again if I were to resume branding...because I have no idea where to find dry ice locally now. I used to buy the dry ice the day before branding and keep in a good cooler and about a third of it would be gone when I was ready to use it...


In what form did you use the dry ice? I can get pea size pellets, sheets about an inch thick or big blocks, the pellets I used gave good heat transfer but disappeared too quick.

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Re: Freeze branding

Postby pdfangus » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:37 am

I used slabs about an inch thick
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:54 pm

Dry ice is expensive around here. $4 a pound. I used LN3 last year but the brands, or lack of, show I didn't hold the iron on long enough. I sure thought 27 seconds would have been enough. Now I have 40 yearling heifers that have to have a brand before going to grass. People who neighbor the pasture where these heifers will be have a feedlot and any 'extras' make their bottom line a little sweeter. I own my brand on both shoulders but a hot iron brand seems to stretch as the animal ages and distorts. Is 30 seconds too long-using LN3-on yearling angus heifers?
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby wbvs58 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:54 pm

I branded my weaned calves about 9 days ago and I had them through the race again this morning and I am very happy with how the brands are going, the area over the brands has gone hard and the brand is easy to see and I suspect the hair will start to peel off in a couple of days. I used copper brands with liquid N and held them on for 25 seconds.

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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:40 pm

Thanks Ken. I'm not sure where I messed up last time but I have nothing to show for it. Heifers have no brand on them. If I could find someone in my area who does it, I'd pay to have it done.
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:39 am

wbvs58-I've been thinking back on my freeze branding technique. I used 99.9% alcohol and sprayed it while the iron was being applied to the hide. Maybe I shouldn't have done that? Did it warm up the iron too much to prevent branding? I have a copper iron, clipped the hide, wetted it with the alcohol, applied the iron, timed the length applied, sprayed alcohol while applying, and sprayed after application. Gotta be one or both of those last two.
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby pdfangus » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:45 am

those last two are both unnecessary according to all I know.
I don't know how you physically held on the iron and simultaneously sprayed alcohol on it..
It takes me both hands and some body weight to hold the iron on and rock it a little bit without it slipping.
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:58 am

Thank You pdfangus. I'd betting I couldn't do it this year. My shoulders are telling my age. It didn't seem to be much of a problem to hold the iron on the heifer-with pressure-and apply the alcohol. I had to wear leather gloves because the irons were so cold. At least I had that part right. Looking back, I'm not sure why I sprayed alcohol during and after the process. :dunce:
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby Ebenezer » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:02 pm

pdfangus wrote:those last two are both unnecessary according to all I know.
I don't know how you physically held on the iron and simultaneously sprayed alcohol on it..
It takes me both hands and some body weight to hold the iron on and rock it a little bit without it slipping.

Good point here: pressure and roll the iron a bit side to side as needed.

Were irons allowed cool down enough between animals?

Spray clipped area when about ready to apply irons then no need to spray again.
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Re: Freeze branding

Postby gizmom » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:53 pm

The boss and I finally got around to freeze branding a group of heifers today. This chore was originally scheduled for January but life happens, family comes before cows, we got the have to get done finished and put some of the needs to be done on back burners. Now we are trying our best to catch up.

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I ran to our local Publix and picked up the dry ice. We estimate 1 1/2 pounds of dry ice per head to get the job done. We also use 99% alcohol which I order in five gallon containers online.

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The boss clips the hair, I then brush area with a rice root brush then spray area with alcohol. The boss mans the iron I man the tail and stopwatch we hold iron on for 60 seconds.

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