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now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:46 am
by ddd75
OTC tetracycline is the next target for VFD.

Food /water tetracycline was down 70% after the VFD.

VET / CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS WAY WAY UP.


Now.. all OTC tetracycline will be required to have a prescription!!! Thats what they are working on.

WHY?? IS this being misused? Are we running around catching cows to hop them up on some LA200 just for fun and giggles??

I Have NEVER met a producer who gives medication for no reason.


TO ME.. This is unfolding a nice story about putting more money in the vets pocket.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:55 am
by True Grit Farms
It's only the beginning, it's very apparent to me we can't manage ourselves. Some folks on here think that the more you can vaccinate the better management you have, I see it as exactly the opposite. I'm not sold on the idea that it's the vet's that want all these regulations. Maybe the small animal vet's are in it for the money.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:56 am
by Bigfoot
I try not to be cynical,but I'm starting to think all of our rights will soon be eroded under the disguise of safety. In due time, we will all work for the machine. Everything will be regulated.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:58 am
by ddd75
Bigfoot wrote:I try not to be cynical,but I'm starting to think all of our rights will soon be eroded under the disguise of safety. In due time, we will all work for the machine. Everything will be regulated.



all of your money will go to taxes and regulations to provide you with safety and security :nod:


socialist way. this is the way we're headed.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:14 am
by Bright Raven
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:39 am
by True Grit Farms
Bright Raven wrote:I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.


That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:44 am
by TexasBred
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.


That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

And that sir is part of what brings on all these new regulations etc. You won't police your own actions so have to have a babysitter for you.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:47 am
by Bright Raven
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.


That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.


True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:52 am
by True Grit Farms
TexasBred wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.


That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

And that sir is part of what brings on all these new regulations etc. You won't police your own actions so have to have a babysitter for you.


I agree 100%, I made a post or thread about screwing up just to pass it along. Always call you vet before you give any antibiotics. What can it hurt I thought I was helping. :hide: I'm an idiot sometimes, but not scared to admit it.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:57 am
by Aaron
End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:57 am
by True Grit Farms
Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.


That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.


True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.


That's all true Raven, but calves are no different than people when it comes to sickness. Some days I just feel off, but I don't go to the doctor and get a shot.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:58 am
by Bright Raven
This is a great subject. Every beef group has this same discussion.

Small producers benefit from a system that allows them to conduct routine veterinarian practices. It essentially becomes an issue of economics and convenience. Especially, for the average Kentucky producer who has 20 cows and works off the farm.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:58 am
by Bright Raven
True Grit Farms wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.


True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.


That's all true Raven, but calves are no different than people when it comes to sickness. Some days I just feel off, but I don't go to the doctor and get a shot.


Agree

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:00 am
by True Grit Farms
Aaron wrote:End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.


I was at UGA veterinary meeting Tuesday and two different speakers said the VFD wasn't anything compared to what's coming down the pike.

Re: now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:09 am
by Bright Raven
True Grit Farms wrote:
Aaron wrote:End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.


I was at UGA veterinary meeting Tuesday and two different speakers said the VFD wasn't anything compared to what's coming down the pike.


Agree. VFD is geared to feed. There will be a broader attempt to regulate all manner of medications administered by Producers.