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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:55 pm

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Dempster wrote:If she does have hardware, it's unlikely a magnet will help her.

You mean if it's already traveled through the reticulum and punctured her heart or liver? Been there before. None of the more common symptoms yet but she's still losing condition, not producing as much milk and I suspect she will continue to go downhill.

I stand corrected. Hunching her back near her shoulders this afternoon & she wouldn't eat cubes. I give her 3 weeks.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:08 pm

Sorry to hear that. I do not have any experience with hardware, so do not have any advice.
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Re: Wait and see?

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Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. I do not have any experience with hardware, so do not have any advice.

Unfortunately we do. Of the original 33 bred cows we bought we've lost 5 to hardware, this is the first cow born/raised here that (90% sure) has it. Were the original cows fed silage & the baling wire wasn't removed? Will never know. But we've also been hit twice by tornadoes at the barnyard; the damage is surreal & debris literally miles away. We do our best to pick up everything & have a huge magnet on wheels but it's simply not possible to get it all. Adding to that, this property hadn't been surveyed since 1879 & they had a tendency to bury old fence, junk, essentially everything - which eventually resurfaces.

Side note: both my preemies (that lived) were born to cows that died from hardware.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:27 am

Do you put magnets in all your yearlings? Did you try the compass? Many dairymen automatically put magnets in their heifers. After a few years they check them with a compass to see if they need a new one.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby NonTypicalCPA » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:30 am

In this case do you get to a point where you put her down to avoid suffering? Or let it run its course?
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:10 am

TC, if you haven't seen this video, I think it's a good one. He shows during the exam how to determine if a cow has hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6uUNmZiLZY
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:24 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Do you put magnets in all your yearlings? Did you try the compass? Many dairymen automatically put magnets in their heifers. After a few years they check them with a compass to see if they need a new one.

Every cow, bull & retained heifer has a magnet. If I sell a bull calf (private treaty) it also gets a magnet. The compass is a good idea next time we work them in Oct, thanks for the tip.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:37 am

NonTypicalCPA wrote:In this case do you get to a point where you put her down to avoid suffering? Or let it run its course?

Both & then some. We took one in for slaughter - she was still really fat & the burger was actually awesome. Generally try to put them down as soon as they completely go off feed, are no longer nursing or are suffering. Had one diagnosed without many symptoms and she died 2 days later. Took one in, she still looked pretty good & the vet suggested we take her to the sale barn that day (also sold her calf).
My current girl & her calf were with the herd this morning, she was grazing & did eat some cubes. Calf is still nursing although it doesn't look like she's producing as much.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:37 am

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:TC, if you haven't seen this video, I think it's a good one. He shows during the exam how to determine if a cow has hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6uUNmZiLZY
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Thanks for the link!
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby Workinonit Farm » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:24 pm

TCRanch wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. I do not have any experience with hardware, so do not have any advice.

………... Adding to that, this property hadn't been surveyed since 1879 & they had a tendency to bury old fence, junk, essentially everything - which eventually resurfaces.


Similar situation here, without the tornadoes. I'm forever picking up bits & pieces of old nails, screws & whatnot. Some parts of the place, there are small sections of washing machines and trucks poking out of the dirt. There's an old Apache truck, up on the hill with a Paradise tree growing through the engine compartment.

As for the cow, it doesn't sound good, from what you've observed & posted. I'm sorry to hear that. :( I'm glad to hear that, for now anyway, she's still eating. I hope you're able to keep her/help her "limp along" long enough for the calf. I'm sorry that I am unable to offer up some advice or a helpful suggestion. Good luck with her.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:21 pm

TCRanch wrote:
NonTypicalCPA wrote:In this case do you get to a point where you put her down to avoid suffering? Or let it run its course?

Both & then some. We took one in for slaughter - she was still really fat & the burger was actually awesome. Generally try to put them down as soon as they completely go off feed, are no longer nursing or are suffering. Had one diagnosed without many symptoms and she died 2 days later. Took one in, she still looked pretty good & the vet suggested we take her to the sale barn that day (also sold her calf).
My current girl & her calf were with the herd this morning, she was grazing & did eat some cubes. Calf is still nursing although it doesn't look like she's producing as much.

Why don't you sell the pair now?
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:56 pm

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NonTypicalCPA wrote:In this case do you get to a point where you put her down to avoid suffering? Or let it run its course?

Both & then some. We took one in for slaughter - she was still really fat & the burger was actually awesome. Generally try to put them down as soon as they completely go off feed, are no longer nursing or are suffering. Had one diagnosed without many symptoms and she died 2 days later. Took one in, she still looked pretty good & the vet suggested we take her to the sale barn that day (also sold her calf).
My current girl & her calf were with the herd this morning, she was grazing & did eat some cubes. Calf is still nursing although it doesn't look like she's producing as much.

Why don't you sell the pair now?

Withdrawal period for Resflor Gold is 38 days. I seriously doubt she'll make it that long. She's been one of my best cows, I've retained most of her heifers (they always pelvic measure great & breed like clockwork) and she's earned the right to be buried where she was born & raised.
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby TCRanch » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:04 pm

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TCRanch wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Sorry to hear that. I do not have any experience with hardware, so do not have any advice.

………... Adding to that, this property hadn't been surveyed since 1879 & they had a tendency to bury old fence, junk, essentially everything - which eventually resurfaces.


Similar situation here, without the tornadoes. I'm forever picking up bits & pieces of old nails, screws & whatnot. Some parts of the place, there are small sections of washing machines and trucks poking out of the dirt. There's an old Apache truck, up on the hill with a Paradise tree growing through the engine compartment.

As for the cow, it doesn't sound good, from what you've observed & posted. I'm sorry to hear that. :( I'm glad to hear that, for now anyway, she's still eating. I hope you're able to keep her/help her "limp along" long enough for the calf. I'm sorry that I am unable to offer up some advice or a helpful suggestion. Good luck with her.

Clearly this won't pull out a washing machine but we use one similar to it alllll the time. Oh, and the calf was born 3/2 so she'll be okay if she's weaned/orphaned early. Definitely plan on keeping her, one of my faves. :heart:
https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-53418A-36- ... +on+wheels
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby Workinonit Farm » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:22 pm

TCRanch wrote:Clearly this won't pull out a washing machine but we use one similar to it alllll the time. Oh, and the calf was born 3/2 so she'll be okay if she's weaned/orphaned early. Definitely plan on keeping her, one of my faves. :heart:
https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-53418A-36- ... +on+wheels


That's pretty slick! What I have used, is one of those that looks like a golf club. I also have on old magnet from a speaker, that I use. It has a very strong 'pull' to it. (although I don't think it would pull out a washing machine :lol2: )
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Re: Wait and see?

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:24 pm

TCRanch wrote:
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TCRanch wrote:Both & then some. We took one in for slaughter - she was still really fat & the burger was actually awesome. Generally try to put them down as soon as they completely go off feed, are no longer nursing or are suffering. Had one diagnosed without many symptoms and she died 2 days later. Took one in, she still looked pretty good & the vet suggested we take her to the sale barn that day (also sold her calf).
My current girl & her calf were with the herd this morning, she was grazing & did eat some cubes. Calf is still nursing although it doesn't look like she's producing as much.

Why don't you sell the pair now?

Withdrawal period for Resflor Gold is 38 days. I seriously doubt she'll make it that long. She's been one of my best cows, I've retained most of her heifers (they always pelvic measure great & breed like clockwork) and she's earned the right to be buried where she was born & raised.

We sold two that we started with, had them named and all. I still miss them but I'd of missed them if I'd of had to bury them too.
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