Pinkeye after being worked

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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby Dempster » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:05 pm

I am someone that is concerned about loosing my opportunity to use CTC when and where you still legally can. We can all put our heads in the sand and do what we want, but all that's going to do is make the Feds take it away all together.

The basics of CTC vfd's- vets can only write them for labeled diseases, which is mostly going to be either respiratory disease or anaplasmosis. Most of the labeled doses are required to be fed daily to ensure proper daily intakes. However, there are circumstances you can feed it in mineral, if your mineral has an approved recipe, which ensures proper intake. Most minerals do not fall under this category.

It is a lot of undesirable legal constraint, but if we don't take it seriously, ctc will be taken off the market all together.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:19 am

My hubby always recommended increasing Iodine in the mineral for pink-eye and footrot.
I have NEVER treated with a PE vaccines. Worthless in my mind. Too many different strains. I give enough preventative meds - don't need to do one I don't have any faith in. Although, I do agree if you are able to get one designed for your area.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby elkwc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:22 am

talltimber wrote:
Dempster wrote:As with the foot rod discussion, it is illegal to mix Aueromycin into mineral yourself, or to use the product to treat/prevent pinkeye. People really need to break this habit.



You seem to be very insistent on people being aware of the legality of adding ctc in any manner. I am curious as to your motivation. Are you a vet, a vet student, government employee in this field, or maybe a feed rep/etc?

Here is what I have "heard".

From an MFA employee, I can't add ctc without falling under the "manufacturers" guidelines, not that it's illegal, I am just adding to my liability.

From a feed mill, Get a vfd and come pick it up.

From a veterinarian, I can't do it without a vfd. With a vfd, I can go get what I need and mix it myself.

From Joeblow at the coffeeshop, I can't add anyting to anything without a script, basically. No igr, no iodine, nothing.

If you could offer a source for verification, it would be appreciated.


Same questions I had thought about asking. Again someone that feels they know more about it than my vets and the mineral supplier. Mine offers mineral with it in it. I'm for sure they wouldn't if there was increased liability involved. And adding iodine to salt I see no issue with myself. After reading these posts I might try it in 2 pastures. Those are the ones we have seen all of our cases of foot rot over the last 4 years.

I just went and read the guidlines in 3 different articles. No where does any of them say anything iodine being covered by this rule. In fact it lists what is covered and some of what isn't in one of them. Just from those 3 articles it seems a few are reading more into the rule than what is actually in it.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby TexasBred » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:54 pm

Dempster wrote:I am someone that is concerned about loosing my opportunity to use CTC when and where you still legally can. We can all put our heads in the sand and do what we want, but all that's going to do is make the Feds take it away all together.

The basics of CTC vfd's- vets can only write them for labeled diseases, which is mostly going to be either respiratory disease or anaplasmosis. Most of the labeled doses are required to be fed daily to ensure proper daily intakes. However, there are circumstances you can feed it in mineral, if your mineral has an approved recipe, which ensures proper intake. Most minerals do not fall under this category.

It is a lot of undesirable legal constraint, but if we don't take it seriously, ctc will be taken off the market all together.

Best way to administer CTC is with a syringe and needle and treat individual animals. Mixing in feed has never been the most efficient way to getting it into the animal that needed it and force feeding to the entire herd is a waste of money and eventually reduces the efficacy of the CTC.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby tnwalkingred » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:33 pm

I have the largest portion of my cattle at one farm. All mature cows with a bunch of spring calves on their sides. No pinkeye at all. Cows have plenty of good grass.

I have about 11 heifers and two mature cows in a group on a different farm with a CE bull. Pasture is not so good and I have been feeding hay and supplementing with grain. All are in great condition but pretty much every single one has gotten pinkeye. Ive spent a small fortune on Darxxin and LA300 to date.

Note neither group was vaccinated for Pinkeye. Quit vaccinating for Pinkeye years ago and haven't had an issue till this small group broke out with it.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby ClinchValley » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:37 am

sstterry wrote:Who is your Vet? We are close and maybe I could make some recommendations. Large Animal Vets are getting more and more scarce!


I've used Mason a couple times since 2015. He's been straight up with me i feel like, even if i didn't want to hear it. I try to not involve a vet unless i just have to. Have a few neighbors who've been at this a long time that i get advice from.

I'm all ears on a recommendation though.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby sstterry » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:22 am

I have been told that Dr. Parks in Morristown is pretty good. Stay far far away from Mangum. I won't say more than that publicly.
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Re: Pinkeye after being worked

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:38 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:there is some stem in the fields we are grazing (it was brush hogged, but some regrowth sent up seeds). No rain for 30 plus days (we are in d-2, severe drought category according to the US Drought Monitor), we are VERY dry


Lots of factors, but stess is a really big one.
So heifers are more likly to break than cows, poor pasture is more likly to experience a break than good grass.
We see it here most often with the pasture hos who set stock some young cattle on rough rented ground till it is eaten down to the roots.
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