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Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:10 am
by BK9954
Heavy bred cow down but eating and drinking a little day and a half ago (in the evening) Neighbor said it was probably the baby positioned restricting the cow from getting up. I sent pictures to the doc and he had me come by and pick up the 4 of the calcium gel tubes, like the one at TSC but it had double the calcium per tube for milk fever. With the price of cattle I didn't want to pay $350 house call for an IV . I gave her one yesterday at 1pm, then one at 10 pm last night, he told me 1 more this morning and 1 more tonight. This morning she was up eating hay with the rest of them. Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:55 am
by Nesikep
I know that milk fever gets cured real quick from an IV.. I'd expect it to be a little slower ingested, but that sounds about right.. good that she's up again

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:07 pm
by Son of Butch
2 tubes left over.... I'd give her one of them right after calving.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:11 pm
by BK9954
Son of Butch wrote:2 tubes left over.... I'd give her one of them right after calving.

I gave her one more this morning I guess I can save the last one for after calving

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:39 pm
by ez14.
Never used the gel but their usually up in about an hour after a bolus. An IV takes just a few minutes and their up

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:45 pm
by Dempster
You need to find a different neighbor to get medical advice from.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:10 am
by Lucky
Dempster wrote:You need to find a different neighbor to get medical advice from.


Tell me more. I’ve never had much luck getting a downer up.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:29 am
by backhoeboogie
BK9954 wrote: Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.


Yes. Many times. A vet had given up on one that was down for over a week. The owner gave me the cow. I think he knew I had a backhoe and he didn't want to pay disposal. The vet had been giving her an IV every day. I gave her two tubes of CMPK before I pulled her in the trailer. Treated her knees when I got her home because she had rubbed them raw. I had her on her feet by the next day. Owner didn't believe it and had to come take a look. I wound up buying her.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:18 pm
by TexasBred
BK9954 wrote:Heavy bred cow down but eating and drinking a little day and a half ago (in the evening) Neighbor said it was probably the baby positioned restricting the cow from getting up. I sent pictures to the doc and he had me come by and pick up the 4 of the calcium gel tubes, like the one at TSC but it had double the calcium per tube for milk fever. With the price of cattle I didn't want to pay $350 house call for an IV . I gave her one yesterday at 1pm, then one at 10 pm last night, he told me 1 more this morning and 1 more tonight. This morning she was up eating hay with the rest of them. Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.

If you could have administered and IV she would probably been up in 5-10 minutes and required only one treatment.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:21 pm
by TexasBred
backhoeboogie wrote:
BK9954 wrote: Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.


Yes. Many times. A vet had given up on one that was down for over a week. The owner gave me the cow. I think he knew I had a backhoe and he didn't want to pay disposal. The vet had been giving her an IV every day. I gave her two tubes of CMPK before I pulled her in the trailer. Treated her knees when I got her home because she had rubbed them raw. I had her on her feet by the next day. Owner didn't believe it and had to come take a look. I wound up buying her.

This is one we might could throw the :bs: flag on. Vet was most likely giving CMPK via IV and should have got same results as you and a day earlier. Then again he may have only given her a dextrose solution.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:28 pm
by backhoeboogie
TexasBred wrote:
backhoeboogie wrote:
BK9954 wrote: Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.


Yes. Many times. A vet had given up on one that was down for over a week. The owner gave me the cow. I think he knew I had a backhoe and he didn't want to pay disposal. The vet had been giving her an IV every day. I gave her two tubes of CMPK before I pulled her in the trailer. Treated her knees when I got her home because she had rubbed them raw. I had her on her feet by the next day. Owner didn't believe it and had to come take a look. I wound up buying her.

This is one we might could throw the :bs: flag on. Vet was most likely giving CMPK via IV and should have got same results as you and a day earlier. Then again he may have only given her a dextrose solution.


Why just throw one flag ? Throw a couple of dozen. It doesn't matter. I am answering BK9954.

Talk to Doc Kinnard out of Mabank, TX. He's the vet who taught me this.

The owner was a probation officer out of Granbury. He spent money for the cow. Then spent a fortune with the vet. Then GAVE the cow to me. His wife pitched a hissy when she found out. So I told him I had X dollars and my time invested and he was welcome to take her back. Then he felt bad and offered to sell her at a low price. Both front knee joints were raw. She wasn't worth much at the sale barn. So I wound up buying her. I could give you his name as well if I knew it was okay.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:37 pm
by backhoeboogie
How do I flag a post ? I want to give Mod 2 the man's name and confirmation. I have had my gut full of TB.

Macon? Can you help me out here ? I've got the guy's name and phone number !! PM me please.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:49 pm
by True Grit Farms
Chill out, life's good.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:51 pm
by backhoeboogie
BK9954 wrote:Heavy bred cow down but eating and drinking a little day and a half ago (in the evening) Neighbor said it was probably the baby positioned restricting the cow from getting up. I sent pictures to the doc and he had me come by and pick up the 4 of the calcium gel tubes, like the one at TSC but it had double the calcium per tube for milk fever. With the price of cattle I didn't want to pay $350 house call for an IV . I gave her one yesterday at 1pm, then one at 10 pm last night, he told me 1 more this morning and 1 more tonight. This morning she was up eating hay with the rest of them. Had anyone seen a cow recover this quick with the calcium gel? Seemed pretty quick to me.


Back to your post BK. Yes.

Consult with Doc Kinnard out of Mabank, TX He was head of TX Vet association at one time. May still be. He's an old Aggie but don't hold that against him. He's a great guy. Knows cattle. Been working cows all his life. Works a lot of sale barns too.

Re: Cow Down

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:54 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
Cows getting milk fever and getting up after calcium happens all the time on a dairy farm. It is rare that a beef cow gets milk fever - but not unheard of. IV calcium: cow gets up in minutes.