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Re: Guess the weight

Postby artesianspringsfarm » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:34 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Why a Charolais bull? There's not much tenderness or marble there. You can breed terminal to Angus or SimAngus bulls with good beef meat numbers and still sell to your target market. And then breed your keeper cows to your bull and hope for heifers to retain as replacements. We sell our cows by the pound and normally a powerful bull will give you more pounds at weaning and there's no question about that. The buyers at the commercial and elite sales like the bigger heifers, I prefer a smaller well put together heifer so it works out good. Here's something you might find interesting, our adverage cow is 3 - 4 hundred pounds lighter then it was 6 years ago. But our weaning weights are less than 50 lbs lighter, and if we fed like we did 5 years ago I feel we could get within 25 lbs. I know genetics plays a part in weaning weights, but cross breeding seems to play a major role in the size of the calf at weaning also.



If I plan to produce a terminal cross, they will be mostly sold as feeders to an all natural feedlot, not finished for my specific customers, hence, maximizing poundage.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Lucky » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 pm

Supa Dexta wrote:
Lucky wrote:Well going by the old 2 pounds a day plus the birth weight rule the calf is on target.


Thats a poor target.

Gotta be doing atleast 2.4/2.5 here or they dont stick around, even as heifers. Cows should be closer to 3. I weighed a few a couple weeks back that are similar age and around 350 (on heifers), so I added 25lbs to my guess. Cow looked tall for 1000 lb'er


That’s a 700# weaning weight, I’m not there yet. Is this just on the cow without any supplements? I have several that mash the scales every year but I’m still at 550 avg.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Putangitangi » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:06 pm

396/1175 on the first pics
396/1280 on the second!
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Son of Butch » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:21 am

IF we get another guess 999/333
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they grew since weigh day
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Supa Dexta » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:23 am

Lucky wrote:That’s a 700# weaning weight, I’m not there yet. Is this just on the cow without any supplements? I have several that mash the scales every year but I’m still at 550 avg.


My birthweights are closer to 95lb avg starting out. And avg WW across the board was 636 last yr - with a few that would be in the 220 day range and a handful of small late ones @ in the 150-160 day range but 2.63 was my avg /with avg age 204 days. On cows and grass alone. And I wouldn't say the calves are where I want them yet, atleast not over all (not sure anyone ever achieves that)

But if I have anything below say 2.3 and esp around 2 they look sickly to me, noticeably bad and their mother better have a good reason cause she won't be here next yr. Mine will be down some this year as our grass wasn't the best this year. Oddly enough I did a small group of 20 heifers calves the other day since they were close to a chute - and they did 2.67 so far @ 149 days. I like seeing real numbers.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Lucky » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:06 am

Supa Dexta wrote:
Lucky wrote:That’s a 700# weaning weight, I’m not there yet. Is this just on the cow without any supplements? I have several that mash the scales every year but I’m still at 550 avg.


My birthweights are closer to 95lb avg starting out. And avg WW across the board was 636 last yr - with a few that would be in the 220 day range and a handful of small late ones @ in the 150-160 day range but 2.63 was my avg /with avg age 204 days. On cows and grass alone. And I wouldn't say the calves are where I want them yet, atleast not over all (not sure anyone ever achieves that)

But if I have anything below say 2.3 and esp around 2 they look sickly to me, noticeably bad and their mother better have a good reason cause she won't be here next yr. Mine will be down some this year as our grass wasn't the best this year. Oddly enough I did a small group of 20 heifers calves the other day since they were close to a chute - and they did 2.67 so far @ 149 days. I like seeing real numbers.


That’s some good weaning weights. I hope to get there before long. I read a pretty good article awhile back about how even with all the high weaning weight bulls out there now the avg. weaning weights are still at 550# without supplements. 95# birthweights probably help your calf growth. I really see a difference in calves that are born in the 75-90# range compared to the 55-70# calves. It’s good that you have a set of scales they take the guess work out of things. I’m hoping to have a set soon.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby LDEnterprises » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:57 am

Lucky wrote:
Supa Dexta wrote:
Lucky wrote:That’s a 700# weaning weight, I’m not there yet. Is this just on the cow without any supplements? I have several that mash the scales every year but I’m still at 550 avg.


My birthweights are closer to 95lb avg starting out. And avg WW across the board was 636 last yr - with a few that would be in the 220 day range and a handful of small late ones @ in the 150-160 day range but 2.63 was my avg /with avg age 204 days. On cows and grass alone. And I wouldn't say the calves are where I want them yet, atleast not over all (not sure anyone ever achieves that)

But if I have anything below say 2.3 and esp around 2 they look sickly to me, noticeably bad and their mother better have a good reason cause she won't be here next yr. Mine will be down some this year as our grass wasn't the best this year. Oddly enough I did a small group of 20 heifers calves the other day since they were close to a chute - and they did 2.67 so far @ 149 days. I like seeing real numbers.


That’s some good weaning weights. I hope to get there before long. I read a pretty good article awhile back about how even with all the high weaning weight bulls out there now the avg. weaning weights are still at 550# without supplements. 95# birthweights probably help your calf growth. I really see a difference in calves that are born in the 75-90# range compared to the 55-70# calves. It’s good that you have a set of scales they take the guess work out of things. I’m hoping to have a set soon.


Scales make a WORLD of difference. Hard to judge what your cows and calves are doing without the hard numbers IMHO.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby Supa Dexta » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:38 pm

And accurate record keeping. To track trends year over year.

I have a Gallagher TSi system, works off RFID tags which Canadian cattle must have anyways. Throw em thru the chute and wave a wand at them and it tracks the rest.
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Re: Guess the weight

Postby elkwc » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:21 pm

1,175/450
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