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Postby Tomcolvin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:28 pm

I have 2 calves that are running yellow matter at corner of their eyes. I haven't treated them with anything yet but need to treat for blackleg (7-way shot). Can I also give antibiotics (pen G) or (LA200) on the same day for the cold in their eyes when I do the blackleg? If any other suggestions i'm open for and very appreciative for the advice. Thanks.
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Re: eye matter

Postby bird dog » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:56 pm

Mine do it off and on. usually in the cooler months. I believe it is allergy related. I have never treated for it since I really wasn't sure what it was. It goes away with time, for me anyway.
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Postby Bright Raven » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:11 pm

Tomcolvin wrote:I have 2 calves that are running yellow matter at corner of their eyes. I haven't treated them with anything yet but need to treat for blackleg (7-way shot). Can I also give antibiotics (pen G) or (LA200) on the same day for the cold in their eyes when I do the blackleg? If any other suggestions i'm open for and very appreciative for the advice. Thanks.


You can vaccinate and administer an antibiotic on the same day. Vaccination is a totally different physiological process than treating with an antibiotic.

If the only symptom the calves display is drainage from the eye, you should not be giving an antibiotic.
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Postby Tomcolvin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:58 pm

Thanks guys, this makes me feel better. I get set up in a couple of weeks to do the 7 way vaccine.
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Postby wbvs58 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:20 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Tomcolvin wrote:I have 2 calves that are running yellow matter at corner of their eyes. I haven't treated them with anything yet but need to treat for blackleg (7-way shot). Can I also give antibiotics (pen G) or (LA200) on the same day for the cold in their eyes when I do the blackleg? If any other suggestions i'm open for and very appreciative for the advice. Thanks.


You can vaccinate and administer an antibiotic on the same day. Vaccination is a totally different physiological process than treating with an antibiotic.

If the only symptom the calves display is drainage from the eye, you should not be giving an antibiotic.


Ron, what if you were using a live bacterial vaccine? One that comes to mind is Brucellosis (Bangs), Is the Moraxella bovis vaccine a live one?

To the original OP, mastitis preparations containing Cloxacillin is a very usefull topical AB to use in the eye.

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Postby Bright Raven » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:24 pm

wbvs58 wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Tomcolvin wrote:I have 2 calves that are running yellow matter at corner of their eyes. I haven't treated them with anything yet but need to treat for blackleg (7-way shot). Can I also give antibiotics (pen G) or (LA200) on the same day for the cold in their eyes when I do the blackleg? If any other suggestions i'm open for and very appreciative for the advice. Thanks.


You can vaccinate and administer an antibiotic on the same day. Vaccination is a totally different physiological process than treating with an antibiotic.

If the only symptom the calves display is drainage from the eye, you should not be giving an antibiotic.


Ron, what if you were using a live bacterial vaccine? One that comes to mind is Brucellosis (Bangs), Is the Moraxella bovis vaccine a live one?

To the original OP, mastitis preparations containing Cloxacillin is a very usefull topical AB to use in the eye.

Ken


There would be circumstances where use of an antibiotic would interfere. The Clostridial vaccine is a killed bacteria. So not likely in that case. I am glad you mentioned this. Personally, I think in all cases you would like to obtain your immune response without interference from an antibiotic.
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Postby 76 Bar » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:16 pm

A thermometer is your best friend. Temp should be normal or slightly elevated dependent on stockmanship and distance to working facilities. Eye itself and animals shouldn't appear distressed e.g. coughing/wheezing. Disinfect your hands between animals.
Guidelines may have changed but it has always been my understanding and policy that giving any form of antibiotics in conjunction with a live vaccine negates or jeopardizes the latter's efficacy.
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Postby Bright Raven » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:30 pm

76 Bar wrote:Guidelines may have changed but it has always been my understanding and policy that giving any form of antibiotics in conjunction with a live vaccine negates or jeopardizes the latter's efficacy.


Most of the "live" vaccines are viral. Antibiotics are usually organic chemical compounds that disrupt in a predetermined manner the physiology of a bacteria - they are ineffective against viruses. In an example, if you were using Bovi-Shield Gold FP 5 which is a modified live virus preparation and at the same time injected the animal with draxxin. The efficacy of the immune response from the Bovi-shield Gold FP 5 would not be affected - I certainly may be wrong. But antibiotics against bacteria should not affect the immune response from a MLV (modified live virus) preparation.

PS: keep in mind the question was about a Clostridial 7 way vaccine. They are always killed bacteria bacterins.
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Postby Bright Raven » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:31 pm

wbvs58 wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Tomcolvin wrote:I have 2 calves that are running yellow matter at corner of their eyes. I haven't treated them with anything yet but need to treat for blackleg (7-way shot). Can I also give antibiotics (pen G) or (LA200) on the same day for the cold in their eyes when I do the blackleg? If any other suggestions i'm open for and very appreciative for the advice. Thanks.


You can vaccinate and administer an antibiotic on the same day. Vaccination is a totally different physiological process than treating with an antibiotic.

If the only symptom the calves display is drainage from the eye, you should not be giving an antibiotic.


Ron, what if you were using a live bacterial vaccine? One that comes to mind is Brucellosis (Bangs), Is the Moraxella bovis vaccine a live one?

To the original OP, mastitis preparations containing Cloxacillin is a very usefull topical AB to use in the eye.

Ken


Ken, the Moraxella bovis and M. bovoculi are killed bacteria preparations.
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Re: eye matter

Postby wbvs58 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:06 am

Bright Raven wrote:
wbvs58 wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
You can vaccinate and administer an antibiotic on the same day. Vaccination is a totally different physiological process than treating with an antibiotic.

If the only symptom the calves display is drainage from the eye, you should not be giving an antibiotic.


Ron, what if you were using a live bacterial vaccine? One that comes to mind is Brucellosis (Bangs), Is the Moraxella bovis vaccine a live one?

To the original OP, mastitis preparations containing Cloxacillin is a very usefull topical AB to use in the eye.

Ken


Ken, the Moraxella bovis and M. bovoculi are killed bacteria preparations.


OK thanks Ron.

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Re: eye matter

Postby Tomcolvin » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:54 am

This can get confusing but I get the drift. Do you think I need to treat for the eye discharge or ride it out. I will be doing the 7 way in about 2 weeks ,maybe 3.
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Postby Bright Raven » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:19 am

Tomcolvin wrote:This can get confusing but I get the drift. Do you think I need to treat for the eye discharge or ride it out. I will be doing the 7 way in about 2 weeks ,maybe 3.


As Ken mentioned you could apply something differently in the eye. If I had that situation, I would simply flush the eye with a mild Solution of baking soda (bicarbonate of sodium). I would not use an antibiotic on that one symptom unless the calves had a high temperature.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:38 am

Generally, the only problem with treating with an antibiotic and vaccinating:
You should not vaccinate unhealthy/ un-thrifty cattle if you want a good response to your vaccination.
Edit: OP, if your calves are eating good and not running a fever, I would not worry about them.
ALWAYS make sure they are SICK before treating with antibiotics. Ears drooping, poor appetite, then check for fever.
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Postby 76 Bar » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:35 pm

keep in mind the question was about a Clostridial 7 way vaccine. They are always killed bacteria bacterins.

Indeed & duly acknowledged. ;-) Jeannie's comments are spot on. Attempted to convey that in my earlier post.
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Re: eye matter

Postby Tomcolvin » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:45 pm

Sorry for late response. Got sick myself with viral infection. Has to run its course. Thanks for the info this cleared up a ptomblem for me.
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