Bull Winter Management

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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm

I agree that you need to learn to analyze body condition. In the picture, you bull is too thin and not carrying enough in the middle. I want to see a big gut and rib in my cattle.
If you run him with your steers, does that mean you are grass/hay feeding out your steers?
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby elkwc » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:53 pm

The issue with many areas in our region this year is hay is scarce and very high when you find it. So many are having to explore other options. In a normal year it maybe the cheapest route but this year it isn't and any hay found maybe needed elsewhere depending on the winter. I'm going to leave mine with the bred cows for a while and then move them and likely give them either liquid feed or protein tubs and cake 3 times a week. The yearling bull will be turned on wheat for a while. They will get hay when snow is on the ground.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:29 pm

Here's a better picture from behind. He seems pretty fat to me. He wasn't this bad until I gave him a full bale of hay and he engorged himself a few days.

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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Allenw » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:22 pm

He has a belly full of hay, has nothing to do with being fat
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:32 am

Allenw wrote:He has a belly full of hay, has nothing to do with being fat

Exactly!!! He almost looks a little bloated.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:52 am

Maybe I'm just overthinking it trying to keep him fit for next year. I haven't tested my hay I've just always assumed it was low quality b/c it's mostly Dallisgrass.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Allenw » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:56 pm

As full as your bull's belly is I'd say your right about your hay being low quality.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:29 am

Allenw wrote:As full as your bull's belly is I'd say your right about your hay being low quality.


So do you think if I supplemented with more 14% grain that he'll slack off the hay?
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:27 am

IMO - he doesn't need 14% - plain whole shell corn is a great supplement. It is 9% protein. The only reason you would need 14% is if your hay is super bad, like 6% protein. Texas Bred is my "go to" on nutrition now that I don't have hubby (was a nutritionist) to advise me.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:50 am

What would you start with Jeanne, 5# or 10# per day or every other day?
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Allenw » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:40 pm

jwimberly wrote:
Allenw wrote:As full as your bull's belly is I'd say your right about your hay being low quality.


So do you think if I supplemented with more 14% grain that he'll slack off the hay?


Your worried about your bull getting fat and now your wanting to feed an energy supplement?
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:48 am

I "believe" he is trying to reduce his hay intake because of lack of hay??
I would think 5# should be plenty. You are not growing him, just maintaining??
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:11 am

That's right Jeanne, trying to reduce hay intake to take care of that "bloated" looking belly. That way come March I can throw him in with the ladies and he can hit the ground running instead of waddling around!
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby Allenw » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:46 pm

The hay gut is from low quality hay as soon as he is on some good quality grass the hay gut will disappear. If it bothers you that much find some SBM. or CSM, or some 32% to 40% protein cubes and feed him around a pound a day and it will help him digest the low quality hay.
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Re: Bull Winter Management

Postby jwimberly » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:37 pm

What's sbm and csm?
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