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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:26 am

"To your first point. If you are working calves when they are a couple of months old, you know who the dam is because the calf is nursing on its momma.

If calves dying at birth is a common thing in a herd, then maybe a change is needed?"

Bullitt - When you work calves through the chute, he/she is not attached to their dam. :shock: No, you would not know which calf was with which cow - unless your herd was so small you could ID each calf by site. You don't sort out a pair, then run it in the chute. You generally work all calves and then all cows separate.
No, calves dying is not "common" for any herd. But, if a cow is struggling to have a calf that won't come out, it is not just a financial issue, it's a humane issue.
If you have cows calving, you should be eyeballing them at least twice a day.
Yes, what is good for one farm may not be good/right for another, but you shouldn't own any if you are not prepared to care for them. It's called good stewardship.
You don't even have cattle.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby ALACOWMAN » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:36 am

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There is no need for commercial cattle producers to ear tag calves at birth. It is a lot of extra work and serves little purpose. The ear tagging can be done when calves are worked, which makes things easier and more efficient.

Don't see where or how it's a lot of extra work... If reaching down and clippin' in a tag is to much..I suggest a new line of work..a lot of commercial cattlemen put as much, and some maybe more effort,into their operation than seed stock producers....
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:40 am

This is from a rancher who runs over 200 and 90% solid black calves... We've found no reason to tag the calves. If there is a calf in question, maybe not growing like the rest, i'll wait till I see who its nursing and jot down the cows number. If we get the calves up at weaning and the calf is still noticeably not like the others, I know who it belonged to. Her number goes down in the new list, and if she raises another dud, she's gone. If someone has to tag all their calves to sort out the bad cows, I see that as a different problem. Maybe people who buy their cows at sale barns should do this...
My daughter moves her cows in the spring as they calved. She tags her calves with their mothers number so it makes it easier to move them with the right calf. We've moved cows at times during calving season, I just move the dry cows. So no tags needed.....
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby slick4591 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:12 am

I would think that if I decided to move to the commercial market I would want BW and ID on all my new calves. I would think that would help me to better determine performance and breeding decisions.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Farmgirl » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:20 am

You people just don't give up. My animals are cared for as well as anyone's. When I am at the gate sorting off I don't have time to wait and see which cow the calf goes and nurses.

The question was never about tagging at birth.

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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:23 am

Unless you're in the reg business and sell seedstock, a good pair of eyes is much better than a tag....lol
Farmgirl.... this forum is full of know it alls and they go off on other subjects..oh, and you're a girl and need things taught to you... I've been a cowgirl in a cowboy world a long time. You'll never know as much as these guys. lol
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Silver » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:41 am

Well I've seen pics of the cattle of the articles author, looks to me like a tagging program could have avoided that mess. Just sayin'....... :dunce:
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:33 am

Farmgirl: Your original question was "When do you tag and tattoo your calves?"
I think you got that questioned answered by multiple posters.
Did you not want to tag at birth? that's your management decision. We can't help it if MOST of the producers on this board tag at birth and gave you that answer.
Are we missing something? Every farm has to do things that FIT there environment and management. We are not trying to tell you what works for you, just letting you know what works for us.
cg8 - don't get gender in on this. I am also a woman. Bullitt makes comments & disagrees and doesn't even have any cattle - yet.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:52 am

The more information you can acquire the better management decisions you can make. I'd like to put EID tags in at birth and run every cow and calf across the scales weekly. It's not feasible but the information you'd gain would help everything from culling decisions to pasture management.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby ALACOWMAN » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:04 am

[quote="Farmgirl"

The question was never about tagging at birth.

Farmgirl[/quote]
Your original question was,,when do you tag and tattoo your calves ???leaving it wide open for suggestions.. Sorry Jeanne just seen your post...
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Bullitt » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:36 am

Farmgirl wrote:
You have been doing just fine without ear tags at birth, so why do you want to do it now?


Question was not about tagging at birth. Question was about tagging young calves. Have a need to sort off a cow and calf from the others. All are black. Frequently do chores after dark. Didn't need a lecture on how to care for my herd.

Thanks to everyone for the positive feedback.
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I asked a question. I was not lecturing anyone. As I said, each person should do what is best for him or her.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby callmefence » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:08 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:"
If you have cows calving, you should be eyeballing them at least twice a day.
Yes, what is good for one farm may not be good/right for another, but you shouldn't own any if you are not prepared to care for them. It's called good stewardship.
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Seriously...tell me it ain't so. I have to do it just like you to deserve to have them..
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby ChrisB » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:53 pm

I used to tag at birth until a normally docile cow sent me to the emergency room. I haven't now for probably 15 years and although there are a few times when it would have helped it hasn't been a big deal. We do like CG8, if there is a problem with a calf it gets tagged at that time to keep an eye on it. Commercial operation. Like has been said, whatever works for you. And Farmgirl, this is not directed at you, just part of the discussion.
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:14 pm

callmefence wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:"
If you have cows calving, you should be eyeballing them at least twice a day.
Yes, what is good for one farm may not be good/right for another, but you shouldn't own any if you are not prepared to care for them. It's called good stewardship.
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Seriously...tell me it ain't so. I have to do it just like you to deserve to have them..

Be careful, she just might think she's being singled out because she's female...lol
I think that if you don't have a ton of paper work, everyone tagged, then you have to use your eyes.... Although, I think and do at calving time is eyeball them 3 times a day.....
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Re: tagging and tattooing calves

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:53 pm

callmefence wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:"
If you have cows calving, you should be eyeballing them at least twice a day.
Yes, what is good for one farm may not be good/right for another, but you shouldn't own any if you are not prepared to care for them. It's called good stewardship.
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Seriously...tell me it ain't so. I have to do it just like you to deserve to have them..

No, no one has to do like me. Do you honestly not check your calving cows? Have you never found a cow down with a calf or calves (twins) stuck backwards, or head back or leg back?? I am impressed at your luck. LOL
No - seriously. I am sure there are lots of herds that never get checked during calving. The labor/time vs the loss does not pencil out I guess - or simply not around to see them because of off farm jobs. I am naive at how some farms work.
We calve out maybe 40-45 calves a year, and I have to honestly say we get one cow a year on average that has a mis-presented calf that needs help. Would she have gotten it out on her own? I don't think so - maybe eventually. Have I saved every calf. Heck no. But, if I save it, that's a lot of potential money in my pocket.
Steer - $850- $1600 dictated by our lovely market. I know we will never see those $2.45/lb days again, but it sure was nice!!
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