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Epd's breakdown

Postby BobbyLummus1 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:32 am

I dont know much about Epd's and BA genetics . Can someone breakdown his epds's and any opinion on genetics please. I'll get pics . He's 1025 lbs born 12/28/16

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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby bse » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:53 am

nothing impressive to me, not very much growth by todays numbers, Interim numbers are not true at all, , his dame is a carrier so makes him potential unless they have tested him, it will show on top of papers, probably DDP. not a predestined fan
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby jerry27150 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:44 am

looks like a great buy to me. real good calving ease-calving ease direct 11, birth weight -4.2, weaning weight 46 lbs 0ver average, yearling weight 83 lbs over average, calving ease maternal exceptional 11,good on milking ability 20 is above average, marbling not bad at 29, fat good at-.01
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby jerry27150 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:47 am

carcass weight real high also-32
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:02 am

reg # would make it much easier to read than having to twist sideways and squint to read.
BUT I can see his epd accuracy is so low that I'd base 90% of any purchase decision on his appearance.

Yes his dam is a DD carrier and without testing him.... usually bring only a bid or 2 over slaughter price.
DD is not a problem, as long as you don't keep any replacements from them (unless each retained tests dd free)
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby 5S Cattle » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:49 pm

What's dd?
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:10 pm

DD is Developmental Duplication.
http://www.angus.org/pub/dd/ddfactsheet.pdf
Here's a link to the tested carrier Angus bulls:
https://www.angus.org/Pub/DefectsAnmLis ... %2fYvnI%3d
Here's the tested carrier Angus cows:
https://www.angus.org/Pub/DefectsAnmLis ... B9TqTUw%3d
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:29 pm

Developmental Duplication has the potential to be devastating to the commercial herd IF any of your cows COULD be possible carriers. That would happen IF you previously used an Angus bull that was a carrier-without you knowing and you saved daughters. DD can result in early abortion so you'd have a higher percentage of open cows without knowing why. If the calf goes to full term and is the product of a DD bull and a DD cow, you will get an extra leg attached randomly to the calf or a big bulge on the head or spine or shoulder.
You can use this bull and save his daughters but understand you will need to be VERY AWARE of the genetics of future sires you use on these females.
Now, ask yourself, Is it worth saving $500-$1000-$your amount here-?

This is based on not knowing the carrier status of your bull. I am treating him as if he is a carrier. If you do the testing, the people who sold him SHOULD have done it-grrrr-and he comes back DDF, none of this matters.
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby ccr » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:01 pm

Couldn't read the registration, but if DDC why mess with it. There are others available.
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby kilroy60 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:25 am

DD is not a problem if you're only running commercial cows. The chances of a development issue is very rare. We've got a bull that is DDC and have many calfs and never a problem. We also have one cow that is also DDC and she's thrown good calves over the years with no problems. The problem comes in if you're running registered cattle. Most people who run all registered cattle do not want any cattle with any DD potential mainly due to resale value of calves.
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby bse » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:23 am

Jerry, don't think you understand EPDs. average WW is 50 average YW is 88 in angus so below average for both, not a very good bull if you expect some grow in your calves.
Maybe your being sarcastic
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Ebenezer » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:42 am

kilroy60 wrote:DD is not a problem if you're only running commercial cows. The chances of a development issue is very rare. We've got a bull that is DDC and have many calfs and never a problem. We also have one cow that is also DDC and she's thrown good calves over the years with no problems. The problem comes in if you're running registered cattle. Most people who run all registered cattle do not want any cattle with any DD potential mainly due to resale value of calves.

Not quite there. If you have used Angus bulls fora number of years you could have been buying carriers before it was told and promoted. The problem would be if you retain your own heifers or buy replacements from someone who might have also used a carrier or two.

Not a thing to do with registered or commercial differences. You have been fortunate that you did not get a DDC earlier in the program.
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Son of Butch » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:29 am

ccr wrote:Couldn't read the registration, but if DDC why mess with it. There are others available.

Why mess with it?
I'll bet Bobby didn't know until it was pointed out here and seller didn't mention bcs he wants to sell the bull.
He's ddp (possible) his dam is ddc (carrier) so 50/50 chance he's ddf (free) but won't know unless he's tested.

Bobby (like others) not familiar with angus pedigrees and epds might not be aware of ddc and some breeders will
sell ddc animals or their offspring without mentioning it.... (IF buyer doesn't ask, seller doesn't tell)
A true buyer beware sales technique.
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby jerry27150 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:37 pm

yea, I do red angus
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Re: Epd's breakdown

Postby Son of Butch » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:04 pm

As for the bull, his sire S/A Solution is an extreme calving ease sire ced 17 bw -3.3 both in top 1%
and it's always hard to get any more than average growth from any extreme calving ease sire.
His $W 48 is breed average, I guess the one thing I can say is he'll be heifer safe for calving ease.
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