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Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:29 pm
by Bestoutwest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aniUeugrm8Y

A few questions for folks.

1)What are some size suggestions?
2)Is it better to bring them back like this gentleman does, or push them forward with the hole at the end of the box? If this makes sense.
3)Can it be rectangular?
4)Pros and cons if you've got experience.

I'm looking to build one with a loading alley and squeeze chute at the end. It seems this is pretty slick and probably easier to design and build than a homemade 90 degree sweep tub.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:38 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
Bud box was a big "idea" quite a few years ago. My husband thought it should be wonderful. But, it may work "most" of the time, but what do you do when you have a group or more likely ONE animal that will not go through that hole. You have absolutely NO way to force him to take that route. I have to admit I never have tried it - and never plan to. A sweep or a "funnel" into an alleyway works. Even just a long gate that you can use as a sweep. If you want to get really pizzed off, try making an animal go where it does not HAVE to go.
You may get others that use it and love it. Just my opinion. Anxious to hear others opinions - but absolutely would never convince me to try it.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:57 pm
by oscarsteve
Yep, both of my catch pens employ the "bud box". And I really like them. Mine are approximately 12 ft. wide and 24 ft. long, It works very well with the cows. However, I found calves are a little more difficult to get through the hole. To solve that problem, I installed a second gate that hinges on the bud box side of the hole that I use as a sweep. Makes dealing with calves a lot easier. My other problem involves a couple of cows that are too tame. (I don't use a hot stick.) They prefer to get petted and don't see me as a danger. So, they are a little more difficult to keep moving. You might find this video interesting. My catch pen and box are very similar to this guy's pen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba20J_q8ZGE&t=34s

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:40 pm
by ez14.
A bud box is based on the principle that cattle naturally want to go back in the direction they came from so putting your hole at the other end defeats the purpose of the bud box.

I thought they all were rectangular?

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:45 pm
by bird dog
You have to get in the pen with your animals. Thats not always a good thing.
You do need it where they will double back on themselves. That is their natural flow.
I personally would rather have a tub.
If you build a bud box, one with solid sides or at least tarps over the sides makes them work better.

I worked with one for a couple years. Cows worked better than calves. Some calves that haven't been worked through a chute just can't seem to get it. Oscar's idea of a second gate is good and would surely help.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:59 pm
by texan@heart
All of these suggestions are correct. The second gate solves the problem of the individual that won’t load. Also found that if the gate isn’t exactly 90 degrees they load a little better. The absolute best is the Daniels double alley. Big feedyards work more than 1K hd/day with that system.

Put a hole in the fence with another fence behind it so you can work flighty cattle from outside the box. Hope that makes sense.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:05 pm
by Aaron
Mine is 38' long and 14' wide. Far too long and wide. 25 x 12 would be much better, maybe only 10' wide. Younger cattle are easier to work as they have a bigger flight zone. Cows are a real pain as they are too quiet. I will make the box smaller and see if that improves it. If not, I am going to a tub.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:50 am
by NonTypicalCPA
They won’t work for me. My cattle assume they’re about to get a scratch when they see me start walking towards them. Smart cattle don’t walk away from a good scratch.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:43 am
by ALACOWMAN
oscarsteve wrote:Yep, both of my catch pens employ the "bud box". And I really like them. Mine are approximately 12 ft. wide and 24 ft. long, It works very well with the cows. However, I found calves are a little more difficult to get through the hole. To solve that problem, I installed a second gate that hinges on the bud box side of the hole that I use as a sweep. Makes dealing with calves a lot easier. My other problem involves a couple of cows that are too tame. (I don't use a hot stick.) They prefer to get petted and don't see me as a danger. So, they are a little more difficult to keep moving. You might find this video interesting. My catch pen and box are very similar to this guy's pen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba20J_q8ZGE&t=34s
took him longer to get ready to do it,than to do it...

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:19 am
by True Grit Farms
ALACOWMAN wrote:
oscarsteve wrote:Yep, both of my catch pens employ the "bud box". And I really like them. Mine are approximately 12 ft. wide and 24 ft. long, It works very well with the cows. However, I found calves are a little more difficult to get through the hole. To solve that problem, I installed a second gate that hinges on the bud box side of the hole that I use as a sweep. Makes dealing with calves a lot easier. My other problem involves a couple of cows that are too tame. (I don't use a hot stick.) They prefer to get petted and don't see me as a danger. So, they are a little more difficult to keep moving. You might find this video interesting. My catch pen and box are very similar to this guy's pen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba20J_q8ZGE&t=34s
took him longer to get ready to do it,than to do it...

And they were already caught and ready to get out of the pen.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:22 am
by Brute 23
I prefer the bud box over a sweep. No need to get in if you have slam gates all the way down.

Take them past and bring them back. Once the cattle have gotten use to it you can run them from either way.

Size depends on number of cattle which depends on length of chute. It can be as rectangle as you need.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:24 am
by Bestoutwest
Thanks for all the advice and thoughts. I was talking to my wife last night and we both agree that a sweet type set up is probably going to work better for us. I don't mind getting in there, but it's the one cow that decides today isn't her day, or realistically calves, that makes me pause. I think it will be less stressful on them, not to mention dangerous to me, to do a sweep type setup.

Thanks :wave:

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:45 am
by RanchMan90
oscarsteve wrote:Yep, both of my catch pens employ the "bud box". And I really like them. Mine are approximately 12 ft. wide and 24 ft. long, It works very well with the cows. However, I found calves are a little more difficult to get through the hole. To solve that problem, I installed a second gate that hinges on the bud box side of the hole that I use as a sweep. Makes dealing with calves a lot easier. My other problem involves a couple of cows that are too tame. (I don't use a hot stick.) They prefer to get petted and don't see me as a danger. So, they are a little more difficult to keep moving. You might find this video interesting. My catch pen and box are very similar to this guy's pen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba20J_q8ZGE&t=34s

Likewise. I have a chute going off both sides of mine. One for working and one for loading. Gates on both sides sure help with overly gentle cows.

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:58 am
by bird dog
Wise decision Best. Most times where I have been hit with cow or calf, it was really not a malicious act by the animal, it was more of them just trying to get out of the way. The box I built to see if I would like it was about 12 x 24. It would work fine with 3 or 4 animals but sometimes to get some in it, 6 or 8 would run in together. With that many I would have to let some out or work the crowd. With that many, and sometimes with just a few, they will pile up and block the chute.
A tub will sometimes do the same, but but is much easier to get them "unstuck".

Re: Bud Box

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:22 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I was the first to comment on this. Like I said, some people were going to say they loved it.
But, I don't think the theory works well on docile cattle - and, I know there will ALWAYS be that ONE that didn't read the book. Good decision IMHO