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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by ga.prime » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:43 pm

You can buy corn for well below the cost of growing your own.


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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:48 pm

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True Grit Farms wrote:I'm going down tomorrow to get a wagon full of feed and I'll get a feed analysis then. I'm also going to send a sample off to UGA and have one done on the feed I actually buy. I was told again that the feed is guaranteed to test 14+% protein and 4% fat. He told me again that the feed will test better than 16% protein and 5% fat, but they won't guarantee that. I don't know what the TDN is and forgot to ask, but the price is $145 a ton picked up tomorrow. M5 says his cows do really good on this feed.


Grit are you buying this from a feed mill or elevator?? Can't believe the state allows anyone to sell without a true guaranteed analysis on the product....I'd be more interested in the ingredients in it than the test results.

I'm having problems putting the words to what I'm wanting to say...again. The feed is GUARANTEED to test at least 14% protein and 4% fat. The mill says it will test better, more like 16% protein and 5% fat, but they WON'T guarantee that.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by pricefarm » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:11 pm

I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.

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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by shaz » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:09 pm

pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:11 pm

$684 = $274 acre... not including...
diesel fuel, spring tillage, planting, harvesting, drying/storage, fall plowing... so actual cost closer to
$800 or $320 acre to produce 160 bushels = $2.00 bushel

And either land rent or ownership costs would still need to be included to calculate true cost.
180 rent + 320 production = $500 divided by 160 = 3.12 bushel breakeven
180 rent + 274 = $454 = 2.84 bushel breakeven

Elevator is paying 2.85 (basis 55 cents under Chicago) processed and sold as feed 3.85 bushel (45 cents over Chicago)

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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by pricefarm » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:29 pm

Son of Butch wrote:$684 = $274 acre... not including...
diesel fuel, spring tillage, planting, harvesting, drying/storage, fall plowing... so actual cost closer to
$800 or $320 acre to produce 160 bushels = $2.00 bushel

And either land rent or ownership costs would still need to be included to calculate true cost.
180 rent + 320 production = $500 divided by 160 = 3.12 bushel breakeven
180 rent + 274 = $454 = 2.84 bushel breakeven

Elevator is paying 2.85 (basis 55 cents under Chicago) processed and sold as feed 3.85 bushel (45 cents over Chicago)


That's probably about right. But I don't sell any I feed it all. If I could buy it for 3.85 a bushel I would. Around here shelled corn is selling for around 10$ per 100.

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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by pricefarm » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:30 pm

shaz wrote:
pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?


It might work not sure I don't have any experience with chicken litter. I do spread some cow manure on it every year.

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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:50 am

pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.

If I could grow that much corn to the acre on dry land around here I'd be a local legend. The best farmers on the best years are lucky to see 100 bu to the acre here. Feed corn cost me $4.50 - $5.00 a bushel around here by the wagon load.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by shaz » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:44 pm

I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:52 pm

shaz wrote:I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.

I figured that also but a bushel is figured on volume, and a bushel of ear corn is heavier than a bushel of whole corn.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by pricefarm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:16 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
shaz wrote:I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.

I figured that also but a bushel is figured on volume, and a bushel of ear corn is heavier than a bushel of whole corn.


Yes 400 bushel of ear corn is the same as 400 bushel of shell corn. A bushel of ear corn weighs more because of the cob. I think a bushel of ear corn weighs around 70lbs ? And a shell corn is 56? Something close to that ...

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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by Son of Butch » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:14 am

On average 160 bushels of ear corn yields about 130 bushels of shell corn. (124 - 133 bushels depending on moisture)

corn 9.9% CP
corn 89 TDN

ear corn 8.9% CP
ear corn 82 TDN

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Re: Growing corn for feed

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shaz wrote:
pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?

Actual NPK of litter is so variable its hard to tell but the average analysis for broiler litter in AR is 60-60-40 per ton. I would take a sample into your local extension office and have them send it off for analysis. In AR it cost about $20 for the test. Money well spent IMO. Lost of good conversation here!
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by rnh2 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:50 pm

As far as direct grazing why not use milo since it’s more drought resistant? Or a mixture with beans? As far as war corn storage I read where a guy took a wire cattle panel and tied ends together to make a circle. He said it worked great. He didn’t say how many bushels it held. When he was ready to feed it he ran cobs and all through a small gas powered leaf shredder. He said he got good results. What y’all think?
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Post by Logar » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:38 pm

thendrix wrote:We have a small cow\calf operation and I'm looking for alternatives to buying feed. We have a 2 acre patch that is not connected to our main property and has no running water. I thought rather then mowing it, why not plant corn and use it for feed? There is full sunlight on about an acre and I think I'm going to try it. There is a local mill here that will grind it for me once it is harvested. Any thoughts\suggestions on practices, variety, etc.? We grow a small garden every year and I know how to plant on a small scale but I have never tried it on a scale this large and wondered if there are diffrences.


In the end I suspect that corn will be the most expensive feed you will have on the place - unless you have all the equipment to work the ground, plant the crop, fertilize the crop and harvest it.

You might be smarter to:

a. Sell it off as a lot if it is not connected to the farm and use the cash to develop the main place (if you can)

b. Put it in to grass and use it for hay - you should be able to get 10 to 20 big rounds off of it if you manage the ground.

c. Or plant one big mother garden and sell off the produce if that is available as a potential market.

I have a couple of those lots and we simply farm them for hay.

Choice is yours, but corn can be expensive to grow.

Best of luck no matter what you do.

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