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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 05, 2017 9:35 am

WalnutCrest wrote:Back to the original message...

Two of my recips are Brahma influenced. By visual inspection, one is 25% Brahma / 75% red Angus and the other is a brown beefmaster (with short nubby horns). Both have excellent phenotype and I'm excited to watch them raise their calves. I've not had to work them any differently than my others.


Darren, recips, right? What are they implanted with? And why are you using them as embryo recipients rather than utilizing their genetics?
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 05, 2017 10:02 am

Bright Raven wrote:
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Bright Raven wrote:Re: Marketing Practices, the Coattails Concept

At the Diamonds & Spurs 2017 Auction, the guy in front of me was a friend from Kentucky. He drove from Morehead, Ky to just west of Springfield, MO to bid on one animal. Lot 1. OBCC Legend M12D (daughter of W/C Utah 534A). I think he bid her up to about $15,000 and dropped out. I know for a fact, he did not pull a trailer for 600 miles and drive home empty to inflate prices. He is a strong advocate of W/C Utah 534A. I have a cow that I bought as a bred heifer from Roy that was bred to his Agent Utah son. That is Roy with brown ball cap in the picture below:

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That heifer went on to sell for above 20 grand.

BTW: For JWBrahman. Roy is a millionaire Hedgefund Cowboy. He owns half of Morehead. Lol


Looks like welfare cattle to me.


Ok. You got me on that one.

Yesterday you were saying they were Millionaire Hedgefund Cowboys, now they are welfare maggots. Which is it CB?
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Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 05, 2017 10:09 am

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Looks like welfare cattle to me.


Ok. You got me on that one.

Yesterday you were saying they were Millionaire Hedgefund Cowboys, now they are welfare maggots. Which is it CB?
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Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.


I got you.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby WalnutCrest » Fri May 05, 2017 11:50 am

Bright Raven wrote:
WalnutCrest wrote:Back to the original message...

Two of my recips are Brahma influenced. By visual inspection, one is 25% Brahma / 75% red Angus and the other is a brown beefmaster (with short nubby horns). Both have excellent phenotype and I'm excited to watch them raise their calves. I've not had to work them any differently than my others.


Darren, recips, right? What are they implanted with? And why are you using them as embryo recipients rather than utilizing their genetics?


Yes, recips carrying fullblood (100%) Aubrac embryos.

I'm using their uterus and udder because I raise fullblood Aubrac and Mashona cattle, and F1 crosses of the two, and bit commercial red brangus or commercial beefmaster cattle.

They may be available to someone else to use this fall as I don't think I want to have a fall calving recip herd after this year. They are very nice cows.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri May 05, 2017 12:39 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
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Looks like welfare cattle to me.


Ok. You got me on that one.

Yesterday you were saying they were Millionaire Hedgefund Cowboys, now they are welfare maggots. Which is it CB?
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Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.


I've figured it out CB, you MIGHT be an expert in your part of SE Texas, but you have no clue what's going on in the rest of the country. Some folks have pastures that you can't believe how good they are. They need no feed and very little hay, as a matter of fact some years they feed NO hay at all. And those folks will wean a calf heavier than yours in SE Texas and do it in 30 - 45 less days. You need to get out from under that rock and travel around to different parts of the country. Painting with a broad brush is ignorant in tight spaces.
I know for a fact that Brahman cattle and there crosses can't make it in Richland, NY under the same management practices that Angus cattle thrive in. Everywhere isn't the same just cause the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 05, 2017 1:21 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Ok. You got me on that one.

Yesterday you were saying they were Millionaire Hedgefund Cowboys, now they are welfare maggots. Which is it CB?
:D


Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.


I've figured it out CB, you MIGHT be an expert in your part of SE Texas, but you have no clue what's going on in the rest of the country. Some folks have pastures that you can't believe how good they are. They need no feed and very little hay, as a matter of fact some years they feed NO hay at all. And those folks will wean a calf heavier than yours in SE Texas and do it in 30 - 45 less days. You need to get out from under that rock and travel around to different parts of the country. Painting with a broad brush is ignorant in tight spaces.
I know for a fact that Brahman cattle and there crosses can't make it in Richland, NY under the same management practices that Angus cattle thrive in. Everywhere isn't the same just cause the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.


No offense CB, Grit makes a point. I had the same thought he expressed. Your term "welfare" cattle does not hold any negative tone here in my part of Kentucky. We have good grass and soils that make nutritious forage. Right now, you cannot begin to imagine my pastures. I confess, I pamper my cows and I really am doing them more harm than good. Several people this year have warned me, that about 4 of my cows should be put on dry lot feeding.

Lucky is correct. From a ROI perspective, I should not be worming my cows.

Grit: I like this line. Never heard that one.

Painting with a broad brush is ignorant in tight spaces.

Your in danger of becoming one of the masters of sarcasm. Lol
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 05, 2017 1:39 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Ok. You got me on that one.

Yesterday you were saying they were Millionaire Hedgefund Cowboys, now they are welfare maggots. Which is it CB?
:D


Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.


I've figured it out CB, you MIGHT be an expert in your part of SE Texas, but you have no clue what's going on in the rest of the country. Some folks have pastures that you can't believe how good they are. They need no feed and very little hay, as a matter of fact some years they feed NO hay at all. And those folks will wean a calf heavier than yours in SE Texas and do it in 30 - 45 less days. You need to get out from under that rock and travel around to different parts of the country. Painting with a broad brush is ignorant in tight spaces.
I know for a fact that Brahman cattle and there crosses can't make it in Richland, NY under the same management practices that Angus cattle thrive in. Everywhere isn't the same just cause the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.



Your full of it those association cows at the sales are proped with a sack
Let's look at real world cattle
Post your local barn report
That way we can really compare
Here's mine
http://www.easttexaslivestock.com/market-reports/
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri May 05, 2017 1:43 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Welfare cattle are not hard to spot they are proped up with a feed sack and are not ready for real world working conditions.


I've figured it out CB, you MIGHT be an expert in your part of SE Texas, but you have no clue what's going on in the rest of the country. Some folks have pastures that you can't believe how good they are. They need no feed and very little hay, as a matter of fact some years they feed NO hay at all. And those folks will wean a calf heavier than yours in SE Texas and do it in 30 - 45 less days. You need to get out from under that rock and travel around to different parts of the country. Painting with a broad brush is ignorant in tight spaces.
I know for a fact that Brahman cattle and there crosses can't make it in Richland, NY under the same management practices that Angus cattle thrive in. Everywhere isn't the same just cause the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.


Post your local barn report
That way we can really compare
Here's mine
http://www.easttexaslivestock.com/market-reports/


We all know markets differ greatly and east of the Mississippi cattle generally take a hit to begin with. Hard to compare apples and coconuts.

Carry on.

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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 05, 2017 1:47 pm

So you saying your cattle aren't worth what ours are. The packers aren't willing to truck yours 800 miles but they are ours.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 05, 2017 1:51 pm

Grit can't be too kick butt in Georgia when your state ranks 30th for cattle out of 50.
http://www.cattlenetwork.com/advice-and ... -50-states
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 05, 2017 1:57 pm

http://www.pariskystockyards.com/market-report/

CB: here is mine. I have not compared prices.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri May 05, 2017 2:10 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:So you saying your cattle aren't worth what ours are. The packers aren't willing to truck yours 800 miles but they are ours.


You think your market and the OKC market are similar?
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 05, 2017 2:12 pm

CB: what is the distance between each blade of grass out there? Is it measured in yards or miles?
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri May 05, 2017 2:12 pm

Where we sell:

http://www.cattle.com/markets/barn_repo ... e=SV_LS163

Owenton Livestock Auction

Last Updated 5/3/2017 | View 158 Archived Reports

United Producers Inc. , Owenton, KY
Weighted Average Report for Wednesday May 3, 2017

Cattle Receipts: 717 Last week: 688 Last year: 731

Compared to last week; Feeder steers sold 5.00-10.00, some up
to 12.00 higher, heifers 5.00-8.00 some up to 12.00 higher,
Slaughter cows and bulls steady.

Feeders: 627 Slaughter: 74 Replacements: 16

Slaughter cows made up 8 percent of the offering, slaughter bulls
2 percent, replacement cows 2 percent, and feeders 88 percent.
The feeder supply included 43 percent steers, 40 percent heifers,
and 17 percent bulls. Near 27 percent of the run weighed over 600 lbs.

Feeder Steers Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
2 585-585 585 156.00 156.00
Medium and Large 1 - 2
10 315-325 324 186.00-190.00 188.81 Value Added
7 375-395 388 168.00-183.00 176.67
5 350-380 363 185.00-189.00 187.03 Value Added
6 447-447 447 174.50-177.00 175.33
13 400-445 419 182.00-193.00 184.96 Value Added
4 413-413 413 185.00 185.00 Thin Fleshed
40 450-495 476 168.50-177.50 172.84
6 455-491 479 180.00-185.00 181.58 Value Added
14 510-540 525 153.00-168.00 163.00
26 513-536 527 172.50-183.00 175.51 Value Added
15 560-593 581 154.00-166.00 159.48
6 590-590 590 170.50 170.50 Value Added
22 610-631 629 147.00-157.00 156.24
11 602-604 604 161.00-165.00 161.73 Value Added
6 650-680 664 144.00-147.00 145.50
19 671-678 677 161.00-166.50 165.35 Value Added
3 710-740 725 138.00-143.00 141.01
15 755-790 765 136.00-139.50 138.83
1 815-815 815 142.00 142.00 Value Added
1 890-890 890 134.00 134.00
Small 1 - 2
3 583-583 583 156.00 156.00
Medium and Large 2 - 3
2 277-277 277 160.00 160.00
1 310-310 310 166.00 166.00
2 480-485 483 146.00-157.00 151.47
Holstein Large 3
1 350-350 350 89.00 89.00
1 620-620 620 98.00 98.00
4 672-672 672 97.00 97.00
1 710-710 710 94.00 94.00
Holstein Large 3 - 4
2 425-425 425 89.00 89.00

Feeder Heifers Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
1 330-330 330 146.00 146.00
1 440-440 440 157.00 157.00
1 625-625 625 137.00 137.00
1 670-670 670 118.00 118.00
Medium and Large 1 - 2
3 315-335 328 152.00-155.00 152.96
8 341-341 341 166.00 166.00 Thin Fleshed
18 352-390 355 157.00-163.00 161.28
4 355-376 371 160.00-168.00 166.09 Thin Fleshed
10 401-440 417 144.00-153.00 149.43
4 405-437 424 162.00-164.00 163.01 Value Added
1 440-440 440 160.00 160.00 Thin Fleshed
51 453-495 470 144.00-157.00 152.95
9 455-455 455 159.50 159.50 Value Added
26 503-540 523 143.50-153.00 148.42
7 505-531 524 153.00 153.00 Value Added
36 557-595 575 140.00-149.00 146.61
15 600-632 613 130.00-143.00 137.56
10 665-665 665 130.00-137.00 136.30
9 701-740 713 118.00-129.00 126.82
3 752-785 763 119.00-122.00 120.97
2 812-812 812 123.00 123.00
Small 1 - 2
1 665-665 665 123.00 123.00
Medium and Large 2 - 3
3 280-290 283 135.00-141.00 137.05
4 335-345 339 130.00-148.00 139.53
2 350-385 368 134.00-145.00 139.76
1 415-415 415 140.00 140.00
2 455-455 455 140.00 140.00
3 550-597 581 129.00-132.00 131.05

Feeder Bulls Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
1 325-325 325 177.00 177.00 Value Added
1 360-360 360 176.00 176.00 Fancy
2 477-477 477 156.00 156.00
1 580-580 580 153.00 153.00
Medium and Large 1 - 2
3 250-275 258 161.00-174.00 169.39
4 310-310 310 159.00-168.00 165.75
2 360-390 375 176.00-180.00 177.92 Value Added
8 400-435 431 180.50-183.00 180.79 Value Added
7 475-476 475 163.00-166.00 164.71
1 465-465 465 179.00 179.00 Value Added
9 520-540 530 152.00-160.00 157.37
2 502-502 502 169.00 169.00 Value Added
19 555-571 567 153.00-161.00 156.95
10 642-643 643 140.00-144.00 143.20
3 625-647 640 150.00-152.00 151.35 Value Added
4 665-680 673 136.00-148.00 142.70
1 745-745 745 125.00 125.00
3 765-780 775 119.00-134.00 123.94
3 835-845 842 119.00-127.00 121.65
5 935-935 935 109.00 109.00
3 1040-1040 1040 115.50 115.50 Value Added
1 1050-1050 1050 102.00 102.00
Medium and Large 2 - 3
2 330-330 330 139.00 139.00
1 395-395 395 146.00 146.00
2 475-490 483 156.00-157.00 156.51
1 890-890 890 104.00 104.00

Bred Cows Large 1 Middle Aged
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
1 1575-1575 1575 960.00 960.00 Per Head 4-6 Months Bred
Large 2 Middle Aged
2 1270-1325 1298 825.00-875.00 850.53 Per Head 4-6 Months Bred
Medium 2 Young
1 1075-1075 1075 690.00 690.00 Per Head 1-3 Months Bred
Medium 2 Middle Aged
1 1050-1050 1050 600.00 600.00 Per Head 1-3 Months Bred
1 945-945 945 875.00 875.00 Per Head 7-9 Months Bred

Slaughter Cows Breaker 70-80% Lean
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
15 970-1385 1173 62.50-67.00 64.41
3 1230-1390 1312 67.00-69.50 68.62 High Dressing
2 1300-1395 1348 62.00 62.00 Low Dressing
1 1870-1870 1870 64.50 64.50
7 1465-1690 1563 56.50-62.00 59.20 Low Dressing
Boner 80-85% Lean
9 975-1315 1109 62.00-64.50 63.93
1 1340-1340 1340 69.00 69.00 High Dressing
4 1015-1315 1128 56.00-62.00 59.28 Low Dressing
Lean 85-90% Lean
1 1175-1175 1175 56.50 56.50
1 1115-1115 1115 69.00 69.00 High Dressing
6 815-1040 944 51.50-55.00 53.24 Low Dressing

Slaughter Bulls Yield Grade 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
1 1295-1295 1295 85.50 85.50
6 1640-2215 1884 84.50-87.50 85.96
3 1680-1795 1732 89.50-90.50 90.01 High Dressing
1 2265-2265 2265 83.50 83.50 Low Dressing

Stock Bulls: No test.

Baby Calves: Beef: No test. Dairy: No test.

Cow/Calf Pairs: Couple Medium middle aged to aged cows, 1000-1100 lbs,
with 275-300 lbs calves 760.00-950.00 per pair.

***This report reflects the majority of cattle sold with a USDA grade, weight,
and sex. This report does not reflect all animals sold on the above date.***


Source: KY Dept of Ag-USDA Market news Service, Frankfort, KY
Mark Rouse, Market Reporter, 502-782-4139
24 Hour Toll Free Market News Report 1-800-327-6568
http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/SV_LS163.txt
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 05, 2017 2:17 pm

Bright Raven wrote:CB: what is the distance between each blade of grass out there? Is it measured in yards or miles?


Real far apart so far your cows would starve versus thrive producing more pounds of beef than any other state.
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