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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by True Grit Farms » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:40 am

SSS, is the best option, but I'll take my chances using the courts. A land owner has so many rights that they give away because they don't know the law, and they speak without consulting an attorney. If you have cattle you can legally kill any dog you want on your own property. And besides the livestock protection act, I've never seen a dog that couldn't bite.
I've fought this issue before and will again if need be. The simple fact is, if people would just do what's right and keep their dogs where they belong there'd be no conflicts.


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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by ChrisB » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:09 pm

wbvs58 wrote:My neighbours found a stray dog in their place , they have sheep and poultry free range. Anyhow they saw it before it did any damage and chased it out on the road, they then got in their car and followed it well back to see where it lived which was about 2 km away. They knocked on the door and informed the owner that it was harassing their sheep and if it returned it would be a dead dog. The owner swore black and blue it wasn't their dog, he had been in his yard the whole time, my neighbours said they had just followed it back to your place, that was an argument that was a bit hard to counter.

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Reminds me of a previous thread on this subject. (Sorry don't remember who said it.) Neighbor comes over mad that somebody shot his dog and asks the farmer if it was him? Farmer asks "Does your dog chase cattle?" Neighbor: "No! He never leaves our yard!" Farmer: "Well, then I didn't shoot YOUR dog."

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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by BRYANT » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:11 pm

True Grit that is another reason I post these stories , I think this makes 3 I have posted where people got a felony for shooting dogs I have others with close to same results or still in court. The more there is with this out come the more likely it is for the end results to be like these. One court sets a precedent for what the others rule. The shooting every dog for no reason can be a big problem now, and there is animal rights people that will fund the case and they got LOTS OF MONEY to fight them with.
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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by greybeard » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:44 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:SSS, is the best option, but I'll take my chances using the courts. A land owner has so many rights that they give away because they don't know the law, and they speak without consulting an attorney. If you have cattle you can legally kill any dog you want on your own property. And besides the livestock protection act, I've never seen a dog that couldn't bite.
I've fought this issue before and will again if need be. The simple fact is, if people would just do what's right and keep their dogs where they belong there'd be no conflicts.

Texas is pretty understanding about killing dogs that harass livestock, but even here, they HAVE to be causing or have recently caused a problem..not just be on the property. The letter and intent of the law is pretty clear on this. Just seeing a dog on my property is not cause to kill it.

§ 822.013. Dogs or Coyotes That Attack Animals
(a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:

(1) any person witnessing the attack; or

(2) the attacked animal's owner or a person acting on behalf of the owner if the owner or person has knowledge of the attack.

(b) A person who kills a dog or coyote as provided by this section is not liable for damages to the owner, keeper, or person in control of the dog or coyote.

(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.

(d) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that is known to have attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls shall control the dog or coyote in a manner approved by the local animal control authority.

(e) A person is not required to acquire a hunting license under Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code, to kill a dog or coyote under this section.
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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by Brute 23 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:38 am

BRYANT wrote:True Grit that is another reason I post these stories , I think this makes 3 I have posted where people got a felony for shooting dogs I have others with close to same results or still in court. The more there is with this out come the more likely it is for the end results to be like these. One court sets a precedent for what the others rule. The shooting every dog for no reason can be a big problem now, and there is animal rights people that will fund the case and they got LOTS OF MONEY to fight them with.


Not just animal right groups... I will personally help fund it... as will other working dog owners who own land and livestock. If I remember correctly you did/ will too.

I will shoot the dog for you if it is causing a problem but not for just crossing or being on the property. Now I do think there should be some thing where if you document the dog being on your property more than X amount of times in a given time period you should be able to take recourse against the owner no matter if it is causing problems or not.
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Post by True Grit Farms » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:30 pm

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BRYANT wrote:True Grit that is another reason I post these stories , I think this makes 3 I have posted where people got a felony for shooting dogs I have others with close to same results or still in court. The more there is with this out come the more likely it is for the end results to be like these. One court sets a precedent for what the others rule. The shooting every dog for no reason can be a big problem now, and there is animal rights people that will fund the case and they got LOTS OF MONEY to fight them with.


Not just animal right groups... I will personally help fund it... as will other working dog owners who own land and livestock. If I remember correctly you did/ will too.

I will shoot the dog for you if it is causing a problem but not for just crossing or being on the property. Now I do think there should be some thing where if you document the dog being on your property more than X amount of times in a given time period you should be able to take recourse against the owner no matter if it is causing problems or not.

You can catch the dog the owner should be fined at least a $1000 dollars for poaching and or armed trespassing. That would slow down the one's who let their dogs roam on to private property and chase the game off. The game is worth way more than a cow, and that's why a dog doesn't stand a chance if I see one on my property.
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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by Brute 23 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:07 pm

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BRYANT wrote:True Grit that is another reason I post these stories , I think this makes 3 I have posted where people got a felony for shooting dogs I have others with close to same results or still in court. The more there is with this out come the more likely it is for the end results to be like these. One court sets a precedent for what the others rule. The shooting every dog for no reason can be a big problem now, and there is animal rights people that will fund the case and they got LOTS OF MONEY to fight them with.


Not just animal right groups... I will personally help fund it... as will other working dog owners who own land and livestock. If I remember correctly you did/ will too.

I will shoot the dog for you if it is causing a problem but not for just crossing or being on the property. Now I do think there should be some thing where if you document the dog being on your property more than X amount of times in a given time period you should be able to take recourse against the owner no matter if it is causing problems or not.

You can catch the dog the owner should be fined at least a $1000 dollars for poaching and or armed trespassing. That would slow down the one's who let their dogs roam on to private property and chase the game off. The game is worth way more than a cow, and that's why a dog doesn't stand a chance if I see one on my property.


That's a slippery slope. When you start giving zero room for slip ups on dogs, cattle will be right behind it.

Personally I think it should be like a 3 strikes your out rule. I don't care if its your dog or bull, if he is on the property more than 3 times in 90 days there should be legal, recourse against the land owner. I still do not think it is the animals fault because they do not comprehend boundaries and I do not believe it should be taken out on the animal. It is 100% the owners responsibility and they should be held accountable.
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Post by True Grit Farms » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:04 pm

I agree except for the 3 strike deal, look how good that works for drunk drivers. Most of the time cows and bulls aren't turned loose on purpose, and they don't chase the game off. With that said I'm 100% behind the owner needs to be held responsible for their animals. We had major horse problems around here, now there's no more horse's and no more problems.
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Re: Shooting Dogs

Post by BRYANT » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:31 am

Another story that just showed up on one on of the hound hunting sites I follow, don't know why it took so long for them to post. It shows how juries are looking at shooting dogs just because they come on your property, different world than what we lived in a few years ago they are protecting animals almost more than humans. Arkansas Times, March 2014, Lincoln County jury awards hunter 145000.00 for coon dog land owner shot.
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Post by True Grit Farms » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:05 am

You either need to have cows, the dog was chasing my cows. Or just go up and kick the dog once you kill it and make sure it's DNA is on your pants, it was trying to attack you. Any dog that doesn't have permission to be on my property better not let me catch up with it. I'll let the coon hunters come hunting after deer season closes in a few weeks. I have no problems as long as they ask permission to hunt, otherwise their just poachers.
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Post by BRYANT » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:00 am

I am scared to shoot a dog now days UNLESS I have SOLID proof that he was doing something wrong. With tracking devices and chips the old saying SSS does not work to good now days. I did have to shoot one a few months back but I had the police do a report, and your camera/video on your cell phone is you best friend in times like this, now then if the owner found out and wanted to sue I THINK/HOPE it would stand in court. I cant afford the kind of fines and jail time the courts are putting on dog shooters now days and sure don't want a felon on my record. That's the reason I post these stories is to show we live in a different times than we use to, not to try to debate about shoot or not to shoot. Just trying to put out some helpful info.
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Post by True Grit Farms » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:58 am

BRYANT wrote:I am scared to shoot a dog now days UNLESS I have SOLID proof that he was doing something wrong. With tracking devices and chips the old saying SSS does not work to good now days. I did have to shoot one a few months back but I had the police do a report, and your camera/video on your cell phone is you best friend in times like this, now then if the owner found out and wanted to sue I THINK/HOPE it would stand in court. I cant afford the kind of fines and jail time the courts are putting on dog shooters now days and sure don't want a felon on my record. That's the reason I post these stories is to show we live in a different times than we use to, not to try to debate about shoot or not to shoot. Just trying to put out some helpful info.

I don't think admitting to killing someone's dog is a good thing at all. The right to remain silent is very important to winning any case.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence Defending your life and property would be my last defense, I'd want someone to prove I actually shot the dog first, and then we can proceed to the defending my life and property aspect. If I was ever charged with something happening on my property, I'd file trespassing charges, and sue for pain and suffering immediately against those pressing charges against me. The only way to beat wrong is to fight back.
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Post by callmefence » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:34 am

I don't care what kind of chips or collar a dog has on. I can't see a judge signing a warrant to look for a lost dog..lol

And that's what they'll be needing.. :nod

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Post by Brute 23 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:28 pm

callmefence wrote:I don't care what kind of chips or collar a dog has on. I can't see a judge signing a warrant to look for a lost dog..lol

And that's what they'll be needing.. :nod

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They will do it in a heart beat. All you have to do is start a go fund me and get one of these animal groups behind you.. its a done deal.. judge won't have a choice.

What is getting these land owners is the gps tracking.
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Post by sim.-ang.king » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:29 pm

Use to be an understanding among neighbors, if the dog doesn't have a collar it' fair game. Collared dogs you either caught and hauled them back home, or gave a warning to the owners. Then the owners would tie the dog up, or beat the roaming out of them. If the dog offended again, you were free to "take care of them", and it was no one's fault but the owners for letting them roam.
Now with all of the city-slickers around, with their $2000 mutts, you'd be lucky to not get yourself shot, or sued for even yelling at someone else's dog.
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