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Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by greggy » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:42 pm

I have some heifers that may be ready or close to be bred.

Murray grey, Hereford and JerseyxAngus, the latter is def ready as she would be over 800lb at least.

I do not know exact age of any. the greys and hereford would be 6-700lbs, none are fat, nor thin, small ribs all smooth, but rob only 4 I think may be ready.

I am not sure what it will cost to loan a bull, if not breeding these 4 now, in a year, will have prob 20 ready.

So would you breed them at that age as they continue to grow, which would mean they would be birthing at approx 2 years old, or, wait till nearly 2 and breed them then ?



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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by Logar » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:46 pm

Everyone has different idea on this but I do it on weight. I hate having issues with calving and like to see them spit out on their own. So if the girl is not around 900 pounds plus at a minimum, I do not breed her.

In all honesty if you can wait until they are at that weight or nearly 18 months then you would be good to go on this place.

I am certain you will get a lot of opinions and each one works for the person who gives you theirs.

No matter how you do it they need to be fed enough to grow as well as develop a calf. Hope it all goes well for you.

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by TCRanch » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:50 pm

I pelvic measure at 11 months when my retained heifers get their BANGS (as opposed to the standard 12 months). Turned out with the bull at 15 months so they'll calve right around 2 years. Regardless of size. Just mentioned in another post, big girls and big butts don't always mean big pelvic measurements. And definitely a calving ease bull!

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by ccr » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:32 pm

TC, i'm curious what percentage of your heifers fail the pelvic measurement to breed at 15 months.
i know as much about this as anything else i don't know much about
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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by Brute 23 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:13 pm

If you plan on keeping them for as many years as you can... wait. If you sell at 10 years or earlier do what ever you want. :tiphat:
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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by wbvs58 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:25 am

If the right weight they are ready to breed at 15mths to calve at 2 years. I believe cows are unhealthy if not pregnant and or lactating. Calving at 3 years they are too fat in my opinion.

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by greggy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:37 am

I wont be doing 3 years... what weight in mid condition do people think angus, hereford abd jersey should be....I think jersey is def ready, but not bringing a bull to small property for one heifer...lol
...that is asking for fences to be run down....

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by greggy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:41 am

Brute 23 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:13 pm
If you plan on keeping them for as many years as you can... wait. If you sell at 10 years or earlier do what ever you want. :tiphat:
Cattle are so slow compared to dorper sheep, so, i wanna get a move on, but, not at any expense....

Funny thing is some of my tiny young sheep have popped out lambs to my surprise, large ones have had complications or stillborn not to try and say they are same, I just hate to waste time seeing ig is already a paunfully slow process....

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by greggy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:43 am

TCRanch wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:50 pm
I pelvic measure at 11 months when my retained heifers get their BANGS (as opposed to the standard 12 months). Turned out with the bull at 15 months so they'll calve right around 2 years. Regardless of size. Just mentioned in another post, big girls and big butts don't always mean big pelvic measurements. And definitely a calving ease bull!

I could read up on this but stiill outside and need to sleep soon....how do you measure....something ext or do you need to glove up with some kind of measure

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by darcelina4 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:50 am

Logar wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Everyone has different idea on this but I do it on weight. I hate having issues with calving and like to see them spit out on their own. So if the girl is not around 900 pounds plus at a minimum, I do not breed her.

In all honesty if you can wait until they are at that weight or nearly 18 months then you would be good to go on this place.

I am certain you will get a lot of opinions and each one works for the person who gives you theirs.

No matter how you do it they need to be fed enough to grow as well as develop a calf. Hope it all goes well for you.

Best to you

L
You must have bigger cattle than I have. Some of my 2 year olds dont weigh 900. I do breed at 15 months unless really small. One of my most productive cows is a Jersey cross dairy that only weighs 800. She will be 4 in march and should calve for the third time in March. plus the first 2 years she raised 2 other calves each year. Her first calf is also going to calve this March. She is beef shorthorn plus. She is also around 800. My biggest cow is about 1300 beefmaster.

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by TCRanch » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:08 am

ccr wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:32 pm
TC, i'm curious what percentage of your heifers fail the pelvic measurement to breed at 15 months.
Pelvic measurements at 11 months, turned out with the bull at 15 and I don't have them measured again. My goal is 150 minimum at 11 months; they should theoretically be able to have a 73 lb +/- calf unassisted.

I generally only retain 5-6 heifers and I'd say at least every other year one doesn't make the cut. Last year I had a huge, beautiful heifer from a great lineage. Her sister scored 163 the previous year but she measured a pitiful 132. Not going to take the risk. Different sires but both CED 12.

The following link is a good example:
https://extension2.missouri.edu/g2017

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by TCRanch » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:10 am

greggy wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:43 am
TCRanch wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:50 pm
I pelvic measure at 11 months when my retained heifers get their BANGS (as opposed to the standard 12 months). Turned out with the bull at 15 months so they'll calve right around 2 years. Regardless of size. Just mentioned in another post, big girls and big butts don't always mean big pelvic measurements. And definitely a calving ease bull!

I could read up on this but stiill outside and need to sleep soon....how do you measure....something ext or do you need to glove up with some kind of measure
My vet measures when they get their BANGS. Cheap insurance. And yes, definitely glove up!

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by Redgully » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:30 am

If you only have four to breed now instead of a bull why not use A.I.

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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by JW IN VA » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:41 am

I like my heifers to be 26 to 28 months old when they calve the first time.In my experience,the early breds never grow out and always seem stunted.
I've seen cases of a "calf having a calf" and little calving problem.Also see a seemingly large enough heifer being bred early and having a c section.
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Re: Breed at year old or wait till 2

Post by cowgal604 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:10 am

For whatever reason my cows never breed until 18 months +. I have never had one "reach sexual maturity" before that according to our vet. My last cows I put with a bull at 14 months, they all were pregnant at 25 months.

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