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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:13 am

RanchMan90 wrote:
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RanchMan90 wrote:I would feed them at least 2% of their body weight per day

A certain mixture of feed ?

A 16% commodity ration would be perfect. Sulphur springs, Mt pleasant, Emory, and winnsboro all have decent sales. I would go sit in on one of the NetBIO sales in sulphur springs to get some price points and work backward on what you can pay for some at your local sale.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby 1wlimo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:47 pm

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snoopdog wrote:Sometimes you win , and sometimes you lose . Implanting and vaccination are necessary for grass calves , no matter what . It's a tough row to hoe and the learning curve can hurt . Buy quality and you stand a better chance even if the up front cost is more .
would you recommend doing it? Or too risky
I won't make a reccomendation either way , you can make money , or you can lose money . If you make on the first 3 bunches , you can bet you'll lose on the 4th, example only. With heifers , if you have the feed , and can stand the loss of cashflow , you can always breed and calve them . And that can be a trainwreck itself , there are no guarantees , with mortality loss or market fluctuations , you can make up to 150 a head, or you can lose the same amount , if not more . I think the average margin of what you want to do , is probably going to be about 60 dollars per head , some may dispute , but that is my experience .


If you have good easy calving bulls breeding them is possiable without a wreck, but we lost a heifer just this week as she got stuck head down on her back on a hill. `

Need a good yard, and need to pay attention with heifers, I only have 60 this year :)
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby callmefence » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:18 am

Bfields30 wrote:Buying light weight heifers 300-500 lb and growing them on grass and reselling them in couple months ?? Any chance of profit ?


I don't think you'll do much good. You'll be getting most likely trailer weaned calf's. They will lose weight the first week. And not going to gain enough weight on grass in two months.

I agree with ranchman. Buy bull calf's make them steers and feed them.
Or do the heifers but get quality matched set and run on your grass and feed until yearlings.
Sell them as open replacements.

Or if you wanna make a dollar. Buy some skinny old cows and put em on the tall grass.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Dave » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:11 pm

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Bfields30 wrote:Buying light weight heifers 300-500 lb and growing them on grass and reselling them in couple months ?? Any chance of profit ?


I don't think you'll do much good. You'll be getting most likely trailer weaned calf's. They will lose weight the first week. And not going to gain enough weight on grass in two months.

I agree with ranchman. Buy bull calf's make them steers and feed them.
Or do the heifers but get quality matched set and run on your grass and feed until yearlings.
Sell them as open replacements.

Or if you wanna make a dollar. Buy some skinny old cows and put em on the tall grass.


Buying older (maybe not too old) cows will work. The bull calves can work. But just like the heifers you have to watch out buying too small as those are almost guaranteed to be weaned on the trailer. It is one of those regional things also. here you would go to every sale for two months to put together 50 calves under 300 pounds. Look at sale reports from local sales. Figure the highest price in the size you plan to buy and the lowest price in your projected sale weight. Calculate the total dollars at each size and see what the difference is. Last week here 415 pound heifers cost a little over $600. Heifers just short of 700 pounds brought a little over $900. So there is $300 to add almost 300 pounds. What are your costs to put on that 300 pounds?
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:36 pm

Dave wrote:
callmefence wrote:
Bfields30 wrote:Buying light weight heifers 300-500 lb and growing them on grass and reselling them in couple months ?? Any chance of profit ?


I don't think you'll do much good. You'll be getting most likely trailer weaned calf's. They will lose weight the first week. And not going to gain enough weight on grass in two months.

I agree with ranchman. Buy bull calf's make them steers and feed them.
Or do the heifers but get quality matched set and run on your grass and feed until yearlings.
Sell them as open replacements.

Or if you wanna make a dollar. Buy some skinny old cows and put em on the tall grass.


Buying older (maybe not too old) cows will work. The bull calves can work. But just like the heifers you have to watch out buying too small as those are almost guaranteed to be weaned on the trailer. It is one of those regional things also. here you would go to every sale for two months to put together 50 calves under 300 pounds. Look at sale reports from local sales. Figure the highest price in the size you plan to buy and the lowest price in your projected sale weight. Calculate the total dollars at each size and see what the difference is. Last week here 415 pound heifers cost a little over $600. Heifers just short of 700 pounds brought a little over $900. So there is $300 to add almost 300 pounds. What are your costs to put on that 300 pounds?


The ones I am looking at now are 250 to 400 cost range from 475 to 550 on price per heifer but i was thinking about just testing it seeing buying 2-4 and seeing how it went before i bought a good amount so i wont lose money on the whole deal how much would you say i should feed each heifer and how many times a week should i feed them.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:39 pm

As of now i have 3 cows one has a calf at her side thats 4 months the other two one is 7 months preg and the other is open. they were skinny when i got them and they gained a lot of weight since march of spring break when i got them a lot of people have been telling me how good they look and how much i turned them around. when is the best time to sell older cattle the pregnant one is 6 yr old and 7 mo the cow with the calf on her side is 8 yr old with a 4 mo old calve and another cow that 8 yrs old.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:34 pm

All 3 currently in good flesh.... assuming no bull, I'd sell all asap... but
6 yr old cow 7 months pg.... sell now as bred cow or if you want calve her and sell with 2-3 week old calf at her side
(she'll bring more in 2.5 - 3 months with the calf at her side)

8 yr old cow long time open and now has good flesh.... sell her for slaughter asap

8 yr old open 120 days (4 months) if you put cow/calf in the ring, cow will bring slaughter price with or without
the calf.
IF you choose to calve the 6 yr old, then I'd wean the calf from the 8 yr old in 8 weeks and sell all 4 on 1 trip.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Stocker Steve » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:51 pm

Light heifers may be a sucker play. Steers usually have a higher VOG than heifers.
Profitable stocker guys make about half their money on the buy, so you need to find an edge there, regardless of the program you put the calves on later.
Light pasture calves need a lot of feed supplement because their rumen is not developed enough to grow well on 100% forage.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:30 pm

Son of Butch wrote:All 3 currently in good flesh.... assuming no bull, I'd sell all asap... but
6 yr old cow 7 months pg.... sell now as bred cow or if you want calve her and sell with 2-3 week old calf at her side
(she'll bring more in 2.5 - 3 months with the calf at her side)

8 yr old cow long time open and now has good flesh.... sell her for slaughter asap

8 yr old open 120 days (4 months) if you put cow/calf in the ring, cow will bring slaughter price with or without
the calf.
IF you choose to calve the 6 yr old, then I'd wean the calf from the 8 yr old in 8 weeks and sell all 4 on 1 trip.


I paid Pair 1100
Angus 8 yrs old 600
Angus 6 preg 7 mo 775

They all gained a lot of weight in the Lil over month I have had them. They got weight on them if I took them to the sale barn would I probably lose money on them or gain a little profit .

Or should I try and sell the preg cow and 8 yr old open cow on Craigslist maybe ?
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:34 am

Who would want an 8 year old long time open cow for anything but slaughter?

My wild guess is you bought a shelly 1225 lb slaughter cow for 49 cents lb ($600) and maybe fed her into a 1300 lb
56-59 cent utility cow = ($728-767) or $700-740 after sale barn fees/commission, based on your description.
paid $600 cash out 700-740 = $100-140 return and the sooner the better before spending more on her.
Unless you think a few more weeks of feeding will increase her Net value more.
I'm thinking you've already put the easiest pounds on her. Sell her and find out how you did.

4 month calf = 350 lbs = maybe $450-500 plus 8 yr old 4 month open cow $775 = $1225-1275 pair
paid $1100 = $125-175 return
Put them in the ring together and maybe you'll get an extra bid or 3 from someone wanting to try and breed her.

6 yr old cow with 2 week old calf at side probably $1150-1200 paid $775 = $375-400 in another 2-3 months
or Maybe you can sell her now as a bred cow for $975-1075 on craigslist = $200-300

BUT I don't know the markets at your location.
What was your plan when you bought them? Improve by feeding and cash out for quick profit, right?
You won't know how you did until they're all sold. Maybe you want to do it again or maybe not. Cash out and see.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:40 am

Son of Butch wrote:Who would want an 8 year old long time open cow for anything but slaughter?

My wild guess is you bought a shelly 1225 lb slaughter cow for 49 cents lb ($600) and maybe fed her into a 1300 lb
56-59 cent utility cow = ($728-767) or $700-740 after sale barn fees/commission, based on your description.
paid $600 cash out 700-740 = $100-140 return and the sooner the better before spending more on her.
Unless you think a few more weeks of feeding will increase her Net value more.
I'm thinking you've already put the easiest pounds on her. Sell her and find out how you did.

4 month calf = 350 lbs = maybe $450-500 plus 8 yr old 4 month open cow $775 = $1225-1275 pair
paid $1100 = $125-175 return
Put them in the ring together and maybe you'll get an extra bid or 3 from someone wanting to try and breed her.

6 yr old cow with 2 week old calf at side probably $1150-1200 paid $775 = $375-400 in another 2-3 months
or Maybe you can sell her now as a bred cow for $975-1075 on craigslist = $200-300

BUT I don't know the markets at your location.
What was your plan when you bought them? Improve by feeding and cash out for quick profit, right?
You won't know how you did until they're all sold. Maybe you want to do it again or maybe not. Cash out and see.



Thanks for the response but yeah but I also was thinking maybe I could get one more calf out of the older two cows then sell them
Next yr once the calf and then take them to sale barn I’m just lookin at all opens but my main reason getting these older cows was just get my feet wet and learning a little bit which I have learned a lot In this short time... but thanks for your insight helping a lot.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:02 am

Bfields30 wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:Who would want an 8 year old long time open cow for anything but slaughter?



Thanks for the response but yeah but I also was thinking maybe I could get one more calf out of the older two cows
then sell them.

Where's your bull and why isn't he already with the 2 long open 8 year old cows already?
At this point I'd sell the 2 eight year old open cows and plan on taking 2 or 3 calves out of the 6 year old.
But you should have a goal and a plan for having her bred by 80 days after calving.
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Re: Buying lightweight heifers

Postby Bfields30 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:51 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Bfields30 wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:Who would want an 8 year old long time open cow for anything but slaughter?



Thanks for the response but yeah but I also was thinking maybe I could get one more calf out of the older two cows
then sell them.

Where's your bull and why isn't he already with the 2 long open 8 year old cows already?
At this point I'd sell the 2 eight year old open cows and plan on taking 2 or 3 calves out of the 6 year old.
But you should have a goal and a plan for having her bred by 80 days after calving.
I’m going to buy a beefmaster 15 month sometime this next month
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