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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:52 am

My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:10 am

Caustic Burno wrote:My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.


I have to fertilize heavily to get good quality and quantity. I have one of the best hayfields around my parts. If I fertilize exactly according to soil tests and UGA recommendations AND get good rainfall I can average (4-5) 4x6 rolls per acre across 3 cuttings. That’s as good as it’s getting here. In a perfect world I may get (4) cuttings in one growing season but that has only happened once in the last 7 years and my avg that year was 15 bales/ac/year.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby True Grit Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:37 am

I need me some super duper Texas coastal bermuda hay fields.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:33 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.


I have to fertilize heavily to get good quality and quantity. I have one of the best hayfields around my parts. If I fertilize exactly according to soil tests and UGA recommendations AND get good rainfall I can average (4-5) 4x6 rolls per acre across 3 cuttings. That’s as good as it’s getting here. In a perfect world I may get (4) cuttings in one growing season but that has only happened once in the last 7 years and my avg that year was 15 bales/ac/year.


Unfertilized coastal no problem getting 6 4x5’s to the acre, fertilized it will turn out ten easy. Bahia will give you four unfertilized six fertilized all day.
Anything less than that we call pasture not a hayfield.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby greybeard » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:09 pm

Yep, there is a big difference between pasture and hayfield when it comes to Bahia. Mine is all pasture.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
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Caustic Burno wrote:My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.


I have to fertilize heavily to get good quality and quantity. I have one of the best hayfields around my parts. If I fertilize exactly according to soil tests and UGA recommendations AND get good rainfall I can average (4-5) 4x6 rolls per acre across 3 cuttings. That’s as good as it’s getting here. In a perfect world I may get (4) cuttings in one growing season but that has only happened once in the last 7 years and my avg that year was 15 bales/ac/year.


Unfertilized coastal no problem getting 6 4x5’s to the acre, fertilized it will turn out ten easy. Bahia will give you four unfertilized six fertilized all day.
Anything less than that we call pasture not a hayfield.


One difference between our yields is my rolls contain 30% more hay than yours. But even with that I’m not getting those kinds of yields. And no one else around here is either unless they have a center pivot.

CB yield fertilized Bermuda = 785 cubic feet per cutting. (10 rolls/acre @ 4x5 size rolls)
JMJ yield fertilized Bermuda = 508 cu feet per cutting (4.5 rolls/acre @ 4x6 size rolls)
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:58 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:
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I have to fertilize heavily to get good quality and quantity. I have one of the best hayfields around my parts. If I fertilize exactly according to soil tests and UGA recommendations AND get good rainfall I can average (4-5) 4x6 rolls per acre across 3 cuttings. That’s as good as it’s getting here. In a perfect world I may get (4) cuttings in one growing season but that has only happened once in the last 7 years and my avg that year was 15 bales/ac/year.


Unfertilized coastal no problem getting 6 4x5’s to the acre, fertilized it will turn out ten easy. Bahia will give you four unfertilized six fertilized all day.
Anything less than that we call pasture not a hayfield.


One difference between our yields is my rolls contain 30% more hay than yours. But even with that I’m not getting those kinds of yields. And no one else around here is either unless they have a center pivot.

CB yield fertilized Bermuda = 785 cubic feet per cutting. (10 rolls/acre @ 4x5 size rolls)
JMJ yield fertilized Bermuda = 508 cu feet per cutting (4.5 rolls/acre @ 4x6 size rolls)


That is my best field JMJ I have or ever had and it’s only six acres. It has something that is just right. My Bahia hayfields routinely would yield 5 4x5’s a cutting. That is fertilized at 400 pounds per acre. Where we get a jump most years we get first cutting in April.
My cattle prefer the Bahia over the Bermuda.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:16 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
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Unfertilized coastal no problem getting 6 4x5’s to the acre, fertilized it will turn out ten easy. Bahia will give you four unfertilized six fertilized all day.
Anything less than that we call pasture not a hayfield.


One difference between our yields is my rolls contain 30% more hay than yours. But even with that I’m not getting those kinds of yields. And no one else around here is either unless they have a center pivot.

CB yield fertilized Bermuda = 785 cubic feet per cutting. (10 rolls/acre @ 4x5 size rolls)
JMJ yield fertilized Bermuda = 508 cu feet per cutting (4.5 rolls/acre @ 4x6 size rolls)


That is my best field JMJ I have or ever had and it’s only six acres. It has something that is just right. My Bahia hayfields routinely would yield 5 4x5’s a cutting. That is fertilized at 400 pounds per acre. Where we get a jump most years we get first cutting in April.
My cattle prefer the Bahia over the Bermuda.


Mine like the Bahia too. Got a question for you CB (or anyone else for that matter). I can take a fresh roll of the best (TDN, protein, nitrates, sugar and everything else) hay you can find and roll it out. Then I can take one that has been sitting in the rain for 3 years that at least 1/2 rotten and roll it out beside it. Mine will go to the old hay first every time. Why?
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Jogeephus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:40 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:Mine like the Bahia too. Got a question for you CB (or anyone else for that matter). I can take a fresh roll of the best (TDN, protein, nitrates, sugar and everything else) hay you can find and roll it out. Then I can take one that has been sitting in the rain for 3 years that at least 1/2 rotten and roll it out beside it. Mine will go to the old hay first every time. Why?


Hence the reason there isn't an IQ rating on your EPD sheet. Not saying your cows are stupid ..... but mine are.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Jogeephus wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:Mine like the Bahia too. Got a question for you CB (or anyone else for that matter). I can take a fresh roll of the best (TDN, protein, nitrates, sugar and everything else) hay you can find and roll it out. Then I can take one that has been sitting in the rain for 3 years that at least 1/2 rotten and roll it out beside it. Mine will go to the old hay first every time. Why?


Hence the reason there isn't an IQ rating on your EPD sheet. Not saying your cows are stupid ..... but mine are.


As good of an explanation as any. As for cows being stupid. I’ve reached a conclusion. Either mine are the stupidest cows ever OR, when I want them to do something, they are taunting me. Idk which yet.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Jogeephus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Seriously though, I think its just that its something new. I think once they eat enough of it they'll soon learn its not that great for them and they want jump at it as quick. Only exception to this I think is bahia hay. It might be the rankest stuff there is but they seem to like it. Can't help but think its from the seed the get but IDK.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby snoopdog » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:59 pm

I sent some off today for testing , that I couldn't identify, on a custom patch . Good yield , I thought overmature. Then I read an article coincidentally on native grasses here in Oklahoma and it centered on only cutting once a year and generally in the first week or two of july, and maybe I did ok. I'll share if it's so, and keep it to myself if I baled 72 bales of garden mulch or bonfire feed . lol
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:17 pm

JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:
One difference between our yields is my rolls contain 30% more hay than yours. But even with that I’m not getting those kinds of yields. And no one else around here is either unless they have a center pivot.

CB yield fertilized Bermuda = 785 cubic feet per cutting. (10 rolls/acre @ 4x5 size rolls)
JMJ yield fertilized Bermuda = 508 cu feet per cutting (4.5 rolls/acre @ 4x6 size rolls)


That is my best field JMJ I have or ever had and it’s only six acres. It has something that is just right. My Bahia hayfields routinely would yield 5 4x5’s a cutting. That is fertilized at 400 pounds per acre. Where we get a jump most years we get first cutting in April.
My cattle prefer the Bahia over the Bermuda.


Mine like the Bahia too. Got a question for you CB (or anyone else for that matter). I can take a fresh roll of the best (TDN, protein, nitrates, sugar and everything else) hay you can find and roll it out. Then I can take one that has been sitting in the rain for 3 years that at least 1/2 rotten and roll it out beside it. Mine will go to the old hay first every time. Why?


I have no clue.
I usually have hay left over from the previous year they prefer it, coastal is the least desirable no matter what.
I have always attributed that to my pastures are Bahia and crabgrass .
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby Texasmark » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:08 am

JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
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"My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year." Which Bermuda do you have J? Coastal, Tifton 85, other?



My Bahia hayfield avengers more than 12 rolls to the acre a year.


CB, the Bahia I cut is what I call common Bahia. Not sure if that’s the right name. I have a 17 acre pasture that is Pensacola. I fertilize it lightly each year and I can see how with proper management, fertilizer, and good rainfall it would do as good as the Bermuda. That stuff really puts out some forage.


Being new to the grass, I guess my (very) limited experiences weren't with "managed" crops. Will pay more attention to it. Maybe work up a little spot where it has taken over and see what happens. I don't have any idea as to what variety it is.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Postby jwimberly » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:01 am

I identified another type of major grass in my field as Dallisgrass also. What's the forums opinion on this stuff? It seems to do very well in these low creek bottoms this time of year. Last year on my second cutting I got 90 4x5's off about 15 acres so about 6 bales per acre. I did have to supplement last winter though so it must be a little low on protein?
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