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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Lucky » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:02 am

If you are going to feed in hay rings I’d put out 2 bales at a time and see how long it takes for them to clean it up. My guess would be 4-5 days. Probably feed a sack of 20% cubes every 3rd day except for really cold weather then might do every other day. Plan on feeding for 100 days.
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby greybeard » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:38 am

Lucky wrote:If you are going to feed in hay rings I’d put out 2 bales at a time and see how long it takes for them to clean it up. My guess would be 4-5 days.

That would be pretty dang close guess for sure, if not right on the nail.
Probably feed a sack of 20% cubes every 3rd day except for really cold weather then might do every other day. Plan on feeding for 100 days.


I'd add 'wet' to that 'really cold weather' part, especially if it's wind driven rain, and the slow drizzle type. Cattle can stand out in the cold for a long time. Can stand out in the rain a long time, or the wind. Add any 2 or 3 of them together, and it's really hard on them down here, as they don't grow the same kind of winter hair coat northern cattle do and our winters aren't long enough for them to do much acclimatizing to it either.

IOW, each time it's cold wet, nasty, give 'em xtra cubes before dark.

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Re: East Texas hay

Postby snoopdog » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:40 pm

Bfields30 wrote:
snoopdog wrote:I started feeding hay last weekend, we have grass, bit some of it is mature. My cows are in the critical period and I want them to have all they need, fed another bale today. We stock heavy and try to stretch the grass supply, with adjustments for drought etc., but when in doubt, feed. Its cheaper to keep weight on lactating cows, than ir is trying to put it back on them, IMO.

How much do you feed per head
I figure 30lbs a day on the low side with good hay for maintenance, in bitter weather, or poorer quality hay, reduced forage I give them more. They have to clean it up though. We'll supplement with cubes or cake if the quality is really low, watch the manure ,it'll tell you when. You're gonna have to adjust, there is no right answer, if your cows are milking they need more, if you have good quality stockpiled grass, they'll need less. If you can't afford feed for all of them, sell some and buy feed for the rest, you won't be the first.
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby snoopdog » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:51 pm

I went back and read your explanation and I think I jumped the gun on my reply, since your group is not calving, the other advice is spot on, those guys are in your neck of the woods, and very knowledgeable.
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Texasmark » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:35 am

Ok, I'm disqualified because I am NE of the Dallas metroplex. Fine.

On when it depends on pasture. This year it looked like feeding would commence in September as things have been arid all summer (1 hay cutting only) and the ground was just arid and cracked open, plants dying.

Then along comes 6" of rain over the course of a week and the ground has been moist/wet ever since. Grasses responded vigorously and there is fresh/plentiful grass everywhere. As a result grazing will continue until it's gone, maybe into December.

We usually get the first frost Halloween (my annual benchmark) and start looking to have to feed thereafter but it depends upon how bad and long the frost impacts the growth.

So, there is no cut and dried answer....as with everything else associated with farming/ranching it just depends.

On how much to feed when feeding starts, depends........weather, condition of available live forage (Ryegrass), acceptance of hay provided, your personal perception of what kind of condition you want to maintain in your herd all play a part in it.

I always wanted to have hay left over. Trying to find hay with starving bovines rolling their eyes at you in the dead of winter is not the thing to do. Usually you can't find anybody to turn loose of any and what you can find is of poor quality and priced out of sight.

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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Caustic Burno » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:35 am

Hay racks versus rings will save considerable hay, much more efficient way to feed.
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:14 pm

Lucky wrote:If you are going to feed in hay rings I’d put out 2 bales at a time and see how long it takes for them to clean it up. My guess would be 4-5 days. Probably feed a sack of 20% cubes every 3rd day except for really cold weather then might do every other day. Plan on feeding for 100 days.

I put one out oct 3 checked this past and it was a lot left checked today and it’s gone i been busy with work so finally got to check again today .
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:15 pm

greybeard wrote:
Lucky wrote:If you are going to feed in hay rings I’d put out 2 bales at a time and see how long it takes for them to clean it up. My guess would be 4-5 days.

That would be pretty dang close guess for sure, if not right on the nail.
Probably feed a sack of 20% cubes every 3rd day except for really cold weather then might do every other day. Plan on feeding for 100 days.


I'd add 'wet' to that 'really cold weather' part, especially if it's wind driven rain, and the slow drizzle type. Cattle can stand out in the cold for a long time. Can stand out in the rain a long time, or the wind. Add any 2 or 3 of them together, and it's really hard on them down here, as they don't grow the same kind of winter hair coat northern cattle do and our winters aren't long enough for them to do much acclimatizing to it either.

IOW, each time it's cold wet, nasty, give 'em xtra cubes before dark.

(you Northerners can stop laughing now)
yeah I had it in the barn and it’s been raining a lot so i think they just lay in there and ate it while it was raining this past week
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:20 pm

Texasmark wrote:Ok, I'm disqualified because I am NE of the Dallas metroplex. Fine.

On when it depends on pasture. This year it looked like feeding would commence in September as things have been arid all summer (1 hay cutting only) and the ground was just arid and cracked open, plants dying.

Then along comes 6" of rain over the course of a week and the ground has been moist/wet ever since. Grasses responded vigorously and there is fresh/plentiful grass everywhere. As a result grazing will continue until it's gone, maybe into December.

We usually get the first frost Halloween (my annual benchmark) and start looking to have to feed thereafter but it depends upon how bad and long the frost impacts the growth.

So, there is no cut and dried answer....as with everything else associated with farming/ranching it just depends.

On how much to feed when feeding starts, depends........weather, condition of available live forage (Ryegrass), acceptance of hay provided, your personal perception of what kind of condition you want to maintain in your herd all play a part in it.

I always wanted to have hay left over. Trying to find hay with starving bovines rolling their eyes at you in the dead of winter is not the thing to do. Usually you can't find anybody to turn loose of any and what you can find is of poor quality and priced out of sight. Yeah it’s been raining a lot lately I’m in Winnsboro but it’s still grass left I’m going to put another out this week and keep an eye on them and see how they do but it’s been raining and starting to get chilly this past week. But there in good condition i usually feed them cubes or feed once during the weekday and once during the weekend. Just depends

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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am

Does anyone know the price of feeding vs hay. My neighbor is selling hay for 45 dollars a bale
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Lucky » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:00 am

Bfields30 wrote:Does anyone know the price of feeding vs hay. My neighbor is selling hay for 45 dollars a bale


Feeding what? Grain instead of hay? If it’s decent hay $45 is a good price. The recent rains have kicked our grass into high gear but not sure how long it’s gonna last.

I’m gonna say 75% of the hay out there doesn’t have enough protien to get a cow through, they’ll still need cubes or some type of supplements. When you pour a sack of cubes out shake them out in little piles. If you pour them in a line they’ll stomp a bunch in the ground, especially if it’s muddy.
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:45 am

Lucky wrote:
Bfields30 wrote:Does anyone know the price of feeding vs hay. My neighbor is selling hay for 45 dollars a bale


Feeding what? Grain instead of hay? If it’s decent hay $45 is a good price. The recent rains have kicked our grass into high gear but not sure how long it’s gonna last.

I’m gonna say 75% of the hay out there doesn’t have enough protien to get a cow through, they’ll still need cubes or some type of supplements. When you pour a sack of cubes out shake them out in little piles. If you pour them in a line they’ll stomp a bunch in the ground, especially if it’s muddy.

Yeah buying grain in bulk 200 a ton vs feeding hay Bales
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Lucky » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:47 pm

I know some folks that feed 8–10#’s of grain everyday until the first calf is born but they have plenty of standing grass. I fed 3#’s of 14% mix and 30#’s of hay for several years and it worked out great. Bought the 2000# sacks and fed out of buckets for awhile too. Do you have troughs to feed it in?
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby MtnCows93 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:23 pm

do a hay test and see how much protein its got, if it has 7% its good enough for dry cows. i usually keep a bale out about 2 weeks before i think i need to feed hay. the'll either eat it which means they need it or they wont eat it for a few weeks and i keep it out in the spring until they refuse to eat any more. i think its better for the pasture in the long run. times of hay shortage is a different story
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Re: East Texas hay

Postby Bfields30 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:38 pm

Lucky wrote:I know some folks that feed 8–10#’s of grain everyday until the first calf is born but they have plenty of standing grass. I fed 3#’s of 14% mix and 30#’s of hay for several years and it worked out great. Bought the 2000# sacks and fed out of buckets for awhile too. Do you have troughs to feed it in?


Yeah that’s what I feed in now I have a couple of troughs feed twice a week
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