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Vaccination question about dairy heifers

Postby Harris2346 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:05 pm

Iam going to start raising dairy heifers, Iam not bottle feeding them, Iam going to use nurse cows. My question is what vaccinations do I give them and what age do I give them the vaccinations. I have been studying it and I think I have figured it out but not sure any information would be greatly appreciated thanks. What I think it is at birth when they are one day old I need to give them Inforce 3 which is an Intranasal that is for IBR and P13,and then I need to give them Mu-se that is for white muscle disease.Then at 2 weeks old I need to give them cattle master gold FP5L5 that is for IBR/P13/BRSV/BVD-MLV + Lepto 5 way. And then Ultrabac 7/somubac that is for clostridial diseases. Then at 6 weeks old the same thing cattle master gold FP5L5 and Ultrabac7/somubac. Then at weaning Inforce 3 Intranasal. Then at 5 months old Cattle master gold FP5L5 and Utrarabac7/somuback cattle vaccine and then take them to the vet to get there bangs vaccine. Then at 6 months old give them Lepto shield 5 and Ultrabac 7/somubac. And when I give the vaccine at weaning I have been told not to give it to them the day you wean, I was told give it to them a couple days before weaning or even a week before, any feedback about this would be greatly appreciated. I raised calves like this when I was in high school which was 20 years ago and my dad was the one teaching me but never would sit down with me and explain he would just say give this much to all the calves whenever it was time to vaccinate, my dad passed away 2 years ago so I can’t ask him now and now Iam really regretting not asking him before he passed away. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Vaccination question about dairy heifers

Postby TCRanch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:41 pm

I would suggest you sit down with your vet and develop a vaccination program specifically for your operation & location. All subject to change based on how your operation develops.

I raise beef & currently give calves First Defense day one. Vaccinate at appx 3 months with 5cc Covexin 8, 2cc Moraxella bovis/bovoculi (pinkeye) & wormed. 5cc Covexin 8, 5cc Triangle 4+PH-K, wormed & heifers get 5cc Lutalyse at weaning. Retained/replacement heifers get BANGS, 5 way VL5 at 11 months when they're pelvic measured. 5cc Vira Shield 6+VL5 HB, 2cc Moraxella bovis/bovoculi (pinkeye) & wormed at appx 15 months. BUT just discussed with my vet switching to using a mod live like Bovi Shield Gold instead of Triangle (killed) on calves at appx 3 months, again at weaning and we're going to figure out a new game plan. See aforementioned "talk to your vet".
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Re: Vaccination question about dairy heifers

Postby Harris2346 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:49 pm

Thank you very much that helps. And your absolutely right about talking to my vet, I planned on doing that.I just wanted to try to get a little more information before I talked to him. And when you vaccinate at weaning time do you vaccinate a few days before weaning or the day of weaning.
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Postby TCRanch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:56 pm

In a perfect world I would vaccinate a few weeks prior to weaning. I don't live in a perfect world so I vaccinate the day of, hence switching my game plan to include vaccinating against pneumonia earlier.
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Re: Vaccination question about dairy heifers

Postby Harris2346 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 pm

I figured it would be better a week or few weeks before weaning but I wasn’t sure, I haven’t raised cattle in a long time and I can’t remember all this stuff, thank you for your advice any other advice you have is greatly appreciated. And like I said Iam for going to talk to my vet about the vaccinations.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:38 am

Looking over your list, it looks like you are wanting to do a great job. But, as TC suggested - your vet is best.
Everyone will have a different list and timing.

I totally agree with the Inforce 3 & MuSe (or BoSe) at birth (I use Multimin 90 instead of MuSe - both are for Selenium). Since your calves will be sucking a ?pregnant? cow, you cannot give a MLV to the nursing calf UNLESS the cow has been vaccinated with the MLV within the past 12 months. You are using Cattlemaster which is mfg by same company as BoviShield Gold, but is safe to use on calves nursing cows that have NOT been vaccinated within 12 months.

On my farm, I vaccinate all my breeding stock with a MLV (BoviShield Gold 5L5HB) every 12 months at least 45 days prior to breeding. Then, my calves are safe to get MLV shots.

I give my calves BoviShield at 3 & 4 months of age. Then I do not have to worry about getting it in them prior to weaning, they are protected. At the 3 month old work-up, I give them OneShot Ultra and they get the UltraChoice 8 booster at the 4 month workup. About a month AFTER weaning (which would be about 8 months old) I give another round of BS Gold & OneShot Ultra.

The BS5L5 does not need a "booster" because it is a MLV - but, you can realistically figure 90% of your calves get complete protection from the first shot and (I believe) the BRSV and Lepto needs to be boostered. So, instead of just boostering the two component of the BS, I give the whole thing again. Extremely cheap insurance, and they are totally covered.
A MLV vaccine should be good protection for a year.
A Killed vaccine MUST be boostered within 3-5 weeks (read label) and is only good for maybe 6 months.
Cattlemaster is both - MLV & killed (I believe)

If your calves have received colostrum, I would question you giving them CM at 2 & 6 weeks of age. The colostrum gives them protection for 3 months. Giving the nasal product at birth is not affected by the maternal antibodies, but it will affect the injected vaccines given under 3 months of age.

If more people chime in, you will get another list of shots. You are definitely on the right track. Now that you are "informed", time to sit down with a vet!!
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:49 am

I BANGS vaccinate all my heifers also. TC gives Lutalyse at weaning, but I do not run a bull so I do not do this. Lutalyse is used to abort a heifer/cow if she got bred and you did not want that. It works between 10 days and ?100 days. I do not vaccinate for PinkEye.
I do de-worm my calves. At the 3 month workup I use Valbazen drench, and at 4 months, I use a PourOn. Calves are susceptible to tapeworm and most of the dewormers do not get tape worms, but Valbazen does.
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Postby TCRanch » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:18 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:I BANGS vaccinate all my heifers also. TC gives Lutalyse at weaning, but I do not run a bull so I do not do this. Lutalyse is used to abort a heifer/cow if she got bred and you did not want that. It works between 10 days and ?100 days. I do not vaccinate for PinkEye.
I do de-worm my calves. At the 3 month workup I use Valbazen drench, and at 4 months, I use a PourOn. Calves are susceptible to tapeworm and most of the dewormers do not get tape worms, but Valbazen does.

93% of the time. Say Hello to 7% luted at 49 days & even after my vet preg checked her open.

Did you vaccinate for pinkeye when you lived in KS? Even though a lot of people around here still don't (and have had train wrecks primarily during the summer) my vet strongly recommends it. Also why they now carry the custom blend Moraxella bovis/bovoculi vaccine.

And to the OP, precisely why your vaccination program is (should) be based on where you live. Sounds like you have it pretty well mapped out but I would also take into consideration any neighbors that share a fence line - and may or may not vaccinate or have a sound fly-control program, bulls that don't respect a fence, etc.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:08 pm

I have never vacc for Pinkeye. Vaccinations may be better now, but they never could cover the varieties affecting the cattle. PE can be controlled (semi) with keeping weeds down, fly control, etc. Flies are NOT a problem here in NY like they were in Ks. People out here just "think" they have a lot of flies LOL.
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Postby farmerjan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:03 pm

We do minimal vaccinations compared to many on here. I will not advise because I have some different philosophies..... Except to say that black leg at 2 week and again at 6 weeks is defeating the purpose. If the cows have been vaccinated for blackleg (clostridial) they will pass the immunity on to the calves. We had some problems years ago and found that vaccinating the cows, and yes, my nurse cows also, eliminated the need for it before 8-12 weeks when the maternal antibodies fade in the milk. My vet said it was a waste of time and too much stress on the calves and would actually counteract the naturally occurring antibodies from the cows.
We do BoSe for the E & Selenium as we are in a deficient area, but not to all the calves as we do have the max amount of E & selenium put in our mineral mix. But I am quick to give any weak calf a shot. I also do A & D. I no longer give pinkeye vaccinations. We had more cases of it than ever when we were doing it. The vet said he had never seen such a "negative" response to it so to try and see how we made out without giving it again. We do much better without. And there is a fair amount of pinkeye around here. We give A & D to anything I treat, but we also cull for resistance. We have a few cases a year, but if caught quick, can usually completely clear it up. We have eliminated alot of it simple from culling, and the cows building up a natural resistance to it, which seems to pass it on to the calves.

All heifers we are retaining get Bangs. We lepto them also. Don't lepto anything we are not retaining. Cows get lepto and Blackleg at preg checks, once a year.

We do not routinely worm anything. We feed Diatomaceous Earth in our feed and in our mineral mix. We worm only as necessary and also cull for cows that are susceptible to worms. My nurse cows follow the same protocol as the beef cows except that they are grain fed when they are nursing calves as I want maximum production so they can raise up the maximum # of calves.

One curious question. Are you going to be raising dairy heifers on contract? The reason that I ask is that the dairy industry is in such a tough state right now, with so many going out and milk prices being so low. There is NO MARKET for springing dairy heifers here in Va. They are selling for 800 to 1200 if you can find a buyer. I live and work in the Shen Valley where there are alot of dairies. I interact with these farmers every day/week and have for over 35 years.
I think nurse cow raised calves do better than many bottle calves. But will you have a market for them? I know what it takes to raise calves on nurse cows, and what it costs to get a heifer up to calving. Presently here it is a lost cause. One of my registered dairy farmers sold out and he kept his open heifers. He had a great reputation, 60 years of breeding and showing for many years, sold reg. bulls as cleanup to many farms, good milk records, and was hard pressed to get 1150 for his springers this past fall.

I would hate for you to do something that there is no market for and to lose your shirt so to speak when you cannot sell them except at a loss. So that was why I was asking.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:53 am

I also give A&D at birth, but every calf of mine gets A&D & SE & Inforce 3 shots, along with naval dipping, weighing & tagging.
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Postby Harris2346 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Thank you all for the advice I can for sure tell that I need to talk to my vet and get his advice on what vaccinations to give because I can tell that every state has different vaccinations to give. And thank you Jeanne I didn’t know that mlv didn’t need a booster shot I thought that both mlv and killed vaccines need to give booster. And Farmer Jan I don’t have a contract yet but that is what Iam going for and you are absolutely right if there was no market for dairy springers heifers that would be a terrible idea, the area where I live there are lots of dairies, I know a lot of the dairyman, my father bought all of there cull cattle for years and my uncle raised dairy springers heifers and sold them them to the dairyman for years. But I don’t know if I can afford to raise them and sell them for a profit, Iam still trying to figure out all the kinks still, one thing Iam going to do in the spring and summer to save a little money on feed is put them on pasture. But before I try to get a contract with the dairyman I need to make enough money to build better corrals on my property and improve other things and practice at raising the heifers and keeping them healthy, get more educated about the vaccinations Iam going to use. See what kinds of feeds work better so on and so forth, bascically get a good game plan. So for right now when I start raising them Iam just going to talk to talk to the smaller dairyman to see if they want to buy my springers heifers or sell them at the cattle auction. And try to get a reputation from doing that. Then when I get enough money and things on my property are improved and Iam ready then I want to go get a contract from a dairyman.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:21 am

Dairymen have been using sexed semen, so there is a "glut" of dairy females.
On the MLV there are some components of a shot that may need a booster - like Lepto and BRSV. Each can be different, you need to read label. I prefer a MLV because you get better/longer protection - but there are more stipulations when using it. Killed is "safest", but the whole thing is worthless if you don't booster on a timely manner and not as long lasting.
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Re: Vaccination question about dairy heifers

Postby Harris2346 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 pm

Thank you that helps me understand it better about the mlv vaccines and the killed vaccines, trying to understand what vaccines I need to give and when and why is like trying to learn a new language but slowly Iam understanding it. What I have figured out is that the reason that it is so crucial that the calf get enough colostrum within the first couple hours of being born is because the calf gains temporary immunities from disease when they ingest the colostrum. But after a few weeks or months this temporary protection fades off, and calves must build there own immunities. That’s why calves need to be vaccinated,from there you need to come up with a vaccination program that best fits your operation. And A few things that I need to keep in mind is vaccinating to soon may not stimulate immune response because the calf may still have maternal antibodies in its system and the vaccination may interfere with building its own immunities and the body sees no need to respond. I plan on weaning my calves at 2 months old so I want to get them eating calf starter as early as soon as possible so by the time I wean them they are eating 2 pounds of calf starter a day. So if Iam going to wean them at 2 months of age I can tell my vaccination program will be completely different then all of you that have commented because you all are raising beef cattle and wean at a lot older age. And my operation is completely different then yours, I figured when and what vaccinations you give to your calves were the same in any operation but know I can see it’s not. But I am starting to understand it and I appreciate everyone’s comments, they have been very helpful. And with what you said about the sex semen you are absolutely right about dairyman using it a lot and there are way more heifer calves being born then bull calves, and that’s something I didn’t think about that could hurt the market for dairy heifers, because there would not be a need and demand for heifers so the market will go down. I plan on using sex semen also when I AI my nurse cows.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:50 pm

Just curious why you would wean at 2 months of age? That is the cheapest gain you will get out of your calves (nursing a cow).
You have the right idea about their maternal immunites, but, whether the calf is never on a cow, or weaned at 2 months or weaned at 6 months, if the calf got good quality colostrum, his immune system is protected for the first 3 months of their lives (approx). If you are worried about the stress of weaning at 2 months of age, if it were me, I might think about giving Inforce 3 again at that time - but, if it were me I wouldn't wean until later.
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