Big Momma Cows

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Bigfoot » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:02 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:TT participation medals are only given to people who feed hay in January with a cabless tractor. You may however, still receive a star sticker. I will drop that in the mail today.


Does feeding 20 years with a cabless 40hp David Brown tractor count?


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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Bright Raven » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:02 pm

Ths issue of frame score and optimum cattle weight is an excellent topic. As you state, there seems to be a sweet spot of cattle with a frame score of 5.5 to 6 and weight of 1200 to 1400. But if you go to any of the high profile sales - for Simmental it would be like the Bulls of the Bluegrass or the Belles of the Bluegrass - the cattle are noticeably bigger in both frame and weight.
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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by callmefence » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:03 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:It's come to my attention that there is a big debate about how big a cow should be, including fertility issues, mobility, etc. The prevailing school of thought that I see on Cattle Today is that 1200-1400 pound cows are ideal, anything over that is "Obese". It also seems that a cow with a really big frame is thrown into the "obese" or as someone said about one of our cows "a fat pos". I've heard that a fat momma will just simply not hold up. I assume that conditions in North Dakota are brutal in the winter at best.

I happen to have a great deal of respect for SAV cattle, and their entire program. So with that said, I am posting two photos from the Youtube video produced by Angus Assoc. that features the SAV program. I assume the cows in these photos are pregnant. I also assume they are in excellent condition. I will also assume they ARE NOT hand fed grain daily out on the range.

My question is this, SAV runs a highly proven Angus operation, probably the finest in the world, if skinny, under-conditioned cows are the best, why do they raise cows that look like this instead, and clear millions of dollars in profits?

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https://youtu.be/wU0Pp2n6ooE..... :hat:
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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by sim.-ang.king » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:08 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:TT participation medals are only given to people who feed hay in January with a cabless tractor. You may however, still receive a star sticker. I will drop that in the mail today.


I’ll take it!


They were all out of Most Perverted Penguin medals, so I guess i'll have to send you an participation until the others are in stock.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Ky hills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:26 pm

Bigfoot wrote:
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:TT participation medals are only given to people who feed hay in January with a cabless tractor. You may however, still receive a star sticker. I will drop that in the mail today.


Does feeding 20 years with a cabless 40hp David Brown tractor count?


Gets my respect.


Gets my respect too.
Now if there was a monetary prize to go along with the medal I'd be applying I'm feeding with a cabless, 2wd Case IH C70.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Silver » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:45 pm

Ky hills wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Does feeding 20 years with a cabless 40hp David Brown tractor count?


Gets my respect.


Gets my respect too.
Now if there was a monetary prize to go along with the medal I'd be applying I'm feeding with a cabless, 2wd Case IH C70.


Okay, seeing as there is a medal on the line.... I used to feed with an open station JD 4020. Cows a mile North from the house. Even at -60F. Into the North wind. PM me for my address for sending the medal.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Ky hills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 pm

Silver wrote:
Ky hills wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:
Gets my respect.


Gets my respect too.
Now if there was a monetary prize to go along with the medal I'd be applying I'm feeding with a cabless, 2wd Case IH C70.


Okay, seeing as there is a medal on the line.... I used to feed with an open station JD 4020. Cows a mile North from the house. Even at -60F. Into the North wind. PM me for my address for sending the medal.


At -60F I will withdraw from the running and vote for you to get the medal. I'm getting cold at over 30F and dreading any colder than that.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Stocker Steve » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:08 pm

bse wrote:I hear that S A V promotes that they don't creep feed calves, but the give them mommas all the silage they want, which is better than creep feeding calves. Don't know any of it for a fact just hear say.


Corn silage TDN is cheap to grow. Storing and feeding it can get costly.

Per head numbers are easy to calculate, but unless your land is free you also need to look at per acre.
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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Till-Hill » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:37 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
bse wrote:I hear that S A V promotes that they don't creep feed calves, but the give them mommas all the silage they want, which is better than creep feeding calves. Don't know any of it for a fact just hear say.


Corn silage TDN is cheap to grow. Storing and feeding it can get costly.

Per head numbers are easy to calculate, but unless your land is free you also need to look at per acre.
seen a drone video where there was like 17 little tmr mixers there. I dont care what sav does or how they do it. They are way more successful than me. They got better grass and dont have to fight the mud I got! But 1100# weaning weights on momma and grass with calves born out on the range. Well be nice I suppose its possible. I had 2 over 800# last year

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by boondocks » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:18 pm

Silver wrote:
Ky hills wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:
Gets my respect.


Gets my respect too.
Now if there was a monetary prize to go along with the medal I'd be applying I'm feeding with a cabless, 2wd Case IH C70.


Okay, seeing as there is a medal on the line.... I used to feed with an open station JD 4020. Cows a mile North from the house. Even at -60F. Into the North wind. PM me for my address for sending the medal.


Silver, we feed in the cold with an open cab too. We have to keep the block heater plugged in to the tractor for a few hours beforehand once it gets supercold (we spend a lot of the winter with real temps around zero or less, and wind chills 20 or 30 below, so not quite as cold as you but gettin there). We are fiddling with installing a device that will let us turn on the power to the heater from the other side of the farm. Will be great if it works.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by WinterSpringsFarm » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:27 am

Does feeding with a cabless 2wd IH 674 w/2250 loader and a chain on bale spear in the snow get any thing?!? To add on top of that we had 80" of rain in 2018.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by lithuanian farmer » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:22 am

Have been waching two Simmental farms on facebook for some time. They sometimes post their weaning weighs, yearling weights, mature weights, etc. Very strong traditional Simmental, cows being around 2000lbs. But they have very good weaning weights too. From what they've posted heifers at ~7months age are around 900lbs, seen one posted at 7.5months weighing 1001lbs. Bulls at 7months are ~1000-1100lbs, seen at one farm 9 months olds being +-1400lbs. The most recent record on one farm is 120days age 634lbs bull calf.

One my friend raises Angus. Just recently posted his 120days weighing results. The highest DWG was 3.5264lbs, average 3.146lbs for bulls, average for heifers 2.618lbs. He doesn't creep feed calves. His cows are +-1500-1600lbs, some maybe abit smaller.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Silver » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:24 am

lithuanian farmer wrote:Have been waching two Simmental farms on facebook for some time. They sometimes post their weaning weighs, yearling weights, mature weights, etc. Very strong traditional Simmental, cows being around 2000lbs. But they have very good weaning weights too. From what they've posted heifers at ~7months age are around 900lbs, seen one posted at 7.5months weighing 1001lbs. Bulls at 7months are ~1000-1100lbs, seen at one farm 9 months olds being +-1400lbs. The most recent record on one farm is 120days age 634lbs bull calf.

One my friend raises Angus. Just recently posted his 120days weighing results. The highest DWG was 3.5264lbs, average 3.146lbs for bulls, average for heifers 2.618lbs. He doesn't creep feed calves. His cows are +-1500-1600lbs, some maybe abit smaller.


It's amazing what good cattle on good forage can do. My dream is to be able to keep my cattle on good tame pasture from calving to weaning. I'd even just like to try it with a small trial group if I had a place to do it.
One place I buy bulls from doesn't creep feed, runs on good tame pasture with the pairs that are raising the bulls, and produces weaning weights at least as good as what you report there.
It's good to have cattle that can do well under tougher conditions, but it's also nice to know what they are capable of under ideal conditions.
I guess my response wasn't directly related to "big momma cows". Sorry :lol2:

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by Silver » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 am

boondocks wrote:
Silver wrote:
Ky hills wrote:
Gets my respect too.
Now if there was a monetary prize to go along with the medal I'd be applying I'm feeding with a cabless, 2wd Case IH C70.


Okay, seeing as there is a medal on the line.... I used to feed with an open station JD 4020. Cows a mile North from the house. Even at -60F. Into the North wind. PM me for my address for sending the medal.


Silver, we feed in the cold with an open cab too. We have to keep the block heater plugged in to the tractor for a few hours beforehand once it gets supercold (we spend a lot of the winter with real temps around zero or less, and wind chills 20 or 30 below, so not quite as cold as you but gettin there). We are fiddling with installing a device that will let us turn on the power to the heater from the other side of the farm. Will be great if it works.


Have you considered an Espar or Proheat? A little pricey, but you can program their start and stop time days in advance, and they do an amazing job of circulating the warm coolant throughout the engine. Might even find a good used one somewhere. Doesn't take them long to have your engine up to nearly operating temp.

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Re: Big Momma Cows

Post by ALACOWMAN » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:46 pm

Silver wrote:
lithuanian farmer wrote:Have been waching two Simmental farms on facebook for some time. They sometimes post their weaning weighs, yearling weights, mature weights, etc. Very strong traditional Simmental, cows being around 2000lbs. But they have very good weaning weights too. From what they've posted heifers at ~7months age are around 900lbs, seen one posted at 7.5months weighing 1001lbs. Bulls at 7months are ~1000-1100lbs, seen at one farm 9 months olds being +-1400lbs. The most recent record on one farm is 120days age 634lbs bull calf.

One my friend raises Angus. Just recently posted his 120days weighing results. The highest DWG was 3.5264lbs, average 3.146lbs for bulls, average for heifers 2.618lbs. He doesn't creep feed calves. His cows are +-1500-1600lbs, some maybe abit smaller.


It's amazing what good cattle on good forage can do. My dream is to be able to keep my cattle on good tame pasture from calving to weaning. I'd even just like to try it with a small trial group if I had a place to do it.
One place I buy bulls from doesn't creep feed, runs on good tame pasture with the pairs that are raising the bulls, and produces weaning weights at least as good as what you report there.
It's good to have cattle that can do well under tougher conditions, but it's also nice to know what they are capable of under ideal conditions.
I guess my response wasn't directly related to "big momma cows". Sorry :lol2:

What does tame pasture imply, never heard that term..are is it self explanatory?? Might be I got one and didn't know it.. :cboy:
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