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Re: Solar Farms

Post by TexasBred » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:28 am

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If they leased my property for "x" $$ a month per acre I'd expect that regardless of whether they put a farm on the land or did anything else with it. No different than oil and gas I'd think. If I'm in the pool I get paid based on the lease terms.
Not sure about solar rights but I have seen tell of landowners out in Nolan County reserving their wind rights for turbines.
(Those things are noisy as he// if you get within 200 yards of them. A slow but constant "whoosh! whoosh! whoosh whoosh!!" every time a blade makes it's lower 180 degree pass. Farther away, you don't hear the individual blades but just a dull "HUUUUMMMM" sound that never stops)
I took this picture in Nolan County about 8 years ago from the side of the road not far from the wind farm's visitor center. As soon as I stepped out of the truck, I heard the "HUUUMMMMM".

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Any retained property rights by deed has value and should be added to the tax rolls and taxed. If it did have value then why retain it.
Actually it has "potential" value Hurley. There is no value to it until it is produced and sold. Don't know about wind or solar power but royalty owners are taxed on oil and gas production both locally and federally.


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Re: Solar Farms

Post by hurleyjd » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:44 am

TexasBred wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:28 am
hurleyjd wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:26 pm
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Not sure about solar rights but I have seen tell of landowners out in Nolan County reserving their wind rights for turbines.
(Those things are noisy as he// if you get within 200 yards of them. A slow but constant "whoosh! whoosh! whoosh whoosh!!" every time a blade makes it's lower 180 degree pass. Farther away, you don't hear the individual blades but just a dull "HUUUUMMMM" sound that never stops)
I took this picture in Nolan County about 8 years ago from the side of the road not far from the wind farm's visitor center. As soon as I stepped out of the truck, I heard the "HUUUMMMMM".

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Any retained property rights by deed has value and should be added to the tax rolls and taxed. If it did have value then why retain it.
Actually it has "potential" value Hurley. There is no value to it until it is produced and sold. Don't know about wind or solar power but royalty owners are taxed on oil and gas production both locally and federally.
Timber land is taxed all along before it is harvested which might take 20 years to realize any profit. Reserved mineral interests can be sold before any production occurs. Does this make it valuable before any production.

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Re: Solar Farms

Post by TexasBred » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:49 am

hurleyjd wrote:
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Any retained property rights by deed has value and should be added to the tax rolls and taxed. If it did have value then why retain it.
Actually it has "potential" value Hurley. There is no value to it until it is produced and sold. Don't know about wind or solar power but royalty owners are taxed on oil and gas production both locally and federally.
Timber land is taxed all along before it is harvested which might take 20 years to realize any profit. Reserved mineral interests can be sold before any production occurs. Does this make it valuable before any production.
The seller will pay taxes on the sale of the minerals. The purchaser doesn't have an income producing asset until it produces which may never happen.
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by greybeard » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:32 pm

Minerals have no proven value until they are at the very least, produced. Having the rights to something that may or not actually be saleable, or a price put on it.. or not even be there (dry hole), is like hoping for the last card needed for a straight flush in 5 card stud. A pair of deuces beats a 4 flusher every time..
One of every 3 wells drilled in Ok and Tex have historically been dusters not gushers.
1/4-1/8-3/8-1/2--3/4-all of nothing is still nothing. You want to tax 'nothing'?
I think not.
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Seeing 20" diameter trees does mean you have 20" diameter trees.
Having blueprints for a $200,000 house means nothing. Can't tax 'plans' but once the house is built, it does get taxed.
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by JMJ Farms » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:39 pm

In Georgia, timber property is SUPPOSED to be assessed as bare dirt and taxed accordingly. Then, when you harvest the timber, you pay a timber tax. May not be the same elsewhere.
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by Lucky » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 pm

Solar and wind power are a waste. They both take up huge amounts of land and produce very little power that without Government tax credits is unprofitable. A 6,000 acre solar site will produce 300-500 MW if the sunshines while a 70-100 acre Natural Gas site will produce 1,000 -1,500 MW or more and doesn’t require tax payer money to get by. I haven’t looked in awhile but wind turbines were producing 1-2 MW each when the wind wasn’t too fast or too slow. They are both good for land owners but if the tax credits ever run out they’ll both be sitting producing nothing. I wish all the “Go Green” city dwellers had to live around these things. Go to any big city and try to bull doze 6,000 acres in the middle of it to give them 400 MW of solar power and see how they like the heat wave it makes. Not to mention all the people it displaces.

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Re: Solar Farms

Post by 1wlimo » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:52 am

Lucky wrote:
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Solar and wind power are a waste. They both take up huge amounts of land and produce very little power that without Government tax credits is unprofitable. A 6,000 acre solar site will produce 300-500 MW if the sunshines while a 70-100 acre Natural Gas site will produce 1,000 -1,500 MW or more and doesn’t require tax payer money to get by. I haven’t looked in awhile but wind turbines were producing 1-2 MW each when the wind wasn’t too fast or too slow. They are both good for land owners but if the tax credits ever run out they’ll both be sitting producing nothing. I wish all the “Go Green” city dwellers had to live around these things. Go to any big city and try to bull doze 6,000 acres in the middle of it to give them 400 MW of solar power and see how they like the heat wave it makes. Not to mention all the people it displaces.
If solar was placed onto roofs it would be so much better. There are more roofs in the world than we need in area to make all the power we need. Not only that but any power station that generates power away from the use leads to a loss in transmission.

Solar does also not need any government money, it is cheaper to build capacity with solar than any other form of power now.

Of course, if buildings were built properly then the power requirements would be a fraction of what they are.

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Re: Solar Farms

Post by TexasBred » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:15 am

Lucky wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 pm
Solar and wind power are a waste. They both take up huge amounts of land and produce very little power that without Government tax credits is unprofitable. A 6,000 acre solar site will produce 300-500 MW if the sunshines while a 70-100 acre Natural Gas site will produce 1,000 -1,500 MW or more and doesn’t require tax payer money to get by. I haven’t looked in awhile but wind turbines were producing 1-2 MW each when the wind wasn’t too fast or too slow. They are both good for land owners but if the tax credits ever run out they’ll both be sitting producing nothing. I wish all the “Go Green” city dwellers had to live around these things. Go to any big city and try to bull doze 6,000 acres in the middle of it to give them 400 MW of solar power and see how they like the heat wave it makes. Not to mention all the people it displaces.
Love this statement. This is one of the largest problems with wind energy. There is a very small window of wind speeds that allow it to operate. To much or not enough and it sits idle.
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by cowgirl8 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:11 pm

From what i'm hearing, the panels being planned for our area are going to tap into lines abandoned by power plants. The power plant in Mt Pleasant closed, or is closing.. These panels will feed those lines..I'm guessing they'll have battery banks somewhere also.. Havent heard anything for a few days, just getting bits and pieces..
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by greybeard » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Who is the company planning to build this N. Texas solar farm?
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by Lucky » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:01 pm

Roof Top Solar power is too expensive for the average Joe to install, by the time it pays in savings the usable life of the panels is gone. Also any power you produce and don’t use gets sold in the “todays” market price. The power companies don’t want this so fight to keep roof top solar unaffordable. If solar was the real deal California would be soley powered by solar....there’s a huge uninhabitable desert very close by. I can sort of understand wind power but have a really hard time with solar power.

I’m sure the company building the solar plant CG8 talks about will be tapping into Luminants old lines from the coal plant that shut down, it’s the only way it’s even feasible to build the thing.

6,000 acres could run roughly 1,500 head of cattle in this country. Those cattle would produce jobs and money for people in the area. I know folks argue that cattle don’t make money but people with cattle spend allot to make a little. The solar plant might employ 20 people and if it doesn’t pan out will be left a waste land.

Tell me this CG8 how many days out of the last 100 has the sunshine been bright enough to power a pinwheel for more the 20 minutes? There’s been allot of nights my wifes little solar light on the patio isn’t on and that thing wouldn’t light up a be nice ants house in the summer.

I’m really glad for the folks that own the land and benifit from the wind and solar, I just hope they choose the monthly rent option and not the MW’s produced payment option.

I believe Envenergy is building the plant CG8 is talking about.

CG8 mentioned batteries for power storage. Batteries are in the fledgling stage at best. I do think once they start using them the technology will advance fairly quickly. The problem now is that these things are the size of a conex box and nobody wants to talk about what to do with them once they are used up. Maybe use them to store cow farts? When I say fairly quickly I’m talking 10 years. maybe I’m just old and don’t understand all this crazy go green stuff, or maybe there’s a bigger picture by the folks that want control of the land.

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Post by cowgirl8 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:45 pm

Here's one in lamar county.. They are pouncing on our area in all directions..
https://myparistexas.com/superville-ann ... ar-county/
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Re: Solar Farms

Post by Lucky » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:14 pm

10 MW’s and employee 1 person. The duct burners at a gas site produce 6 times that much and only run when prices are high. Not to mention the entire 1,200 MW site takes up roughly the same area. Oh well if what it takes to go green is to take away allot of green I guess that’s what we need to do.

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Re: Solar Farms

Post by hurleyjd » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:59 pm

Here is a video on the wind trees producing electricity in France

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=fr ... ORM=VDQVAP

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Post by 1wlimo » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:22 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:01 pm
Roof Top Solar power is too expensive for the average Joe to install, by the time it pays in savings the usable life of the panels is gone. Also any power you produce and don’t use gets sold in the “todays” market price. The power companies don’t want this so fight to keep roof top solar unaffordable. If solar was the real deal California would be soley powered by solar....there’s a huge uninhabitable desert very close by. I can sort of understand wind power but have a really hard time with solar power.

I’m sure the company building the solar plant CG8 talks about will be tapping into Luminants old lines from the coal plant that shut down, it’s the only way it’s even feasible to build the thing.

Solar here in Alberta is not so easy to pay for if you are grid-tied, not on the grid by not far and it makes total sense. The subsidy makes it pay off pretty quick here too.

For Pumps etc it is way cheaper to run solar than a gas pump. That is with panels here being way more expensive than they need to be. My parents live where there is not a whole lot of sun, but panels are more realistic in price will pay for them in 7 years. They are no their roof, and they are grid tied. They are happy with them.

You seem to think that coal is so great, yet coal is so non-reactive to demand. A turbine loves to run at a set power and will do very well, but the grid is not like that. Natural gas is the easiest way to power the grid, but smart meters and storage will make the alternative sources work.

The best bit about solar, or wind is you can stop paying a big company for your power. I would have thought that most free market people would see this.

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