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Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:29 am

I have traditionally banded my bull calves shortly after birth, within a few days. This year I was thinking about just waiting until I run cows through for A.I. This would put the bulls at about 2-3 months old. Are there any considerations I need be aware of if I delay like this? I just use the small donut bander. And I'm not looking for a band vs cut discussion.
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Re: banding bull calves

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am

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Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:29 am
I have traditionally banded my bull calves shortly after birth, within a few days. This year I was thinking about just waiting until I run cows through for A.I. This would put the bulls at about 2-3 months old. Are there any considerations I need be aware of if I delay like this? I just use the small donut bander. And I'm not looking for a band vs cut discussion.
Thanks
That will work just as well assuming the donut fits. Remember to administer a tetanus shot.
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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:40 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am
Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:29 am
I have traditionally banded my bull calves shortly after birth, within a few days. This year I was thinking about just waiting until I run cows through for A.I. This would put the bulls at about 2-3 months old. Are there any considerations I need be aware of if I delay like this? I just use the small donut bander. And I'm not looking for a band vs cut discussion.
Thanks
That will work just as well assuming the donut fits. Remember to administer a tetanus shot.
Yeah, I have had some get a little big. Takes some maneuvering to get both oysters below the band.
I guess this isn't the time to tell you that myself, nor my dad have ever given tetanus when banding? I suppose we should, but so far it's been cheaper to not. Is tetanus a regional thing?

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:43 am

Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:40 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am
Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:29 am
I have traditionally banded my bull calves shortly after birth, within a few days. This year I was thinking about just waiting until I run cows through for A.I. This would put the bulls at about 2-3 months old. Are there any considerations I need be aware of if I delay like this? I just use the small donut bander. And I'm not looking for a band vs cut discussion.
Thanks
That will work just as well assuming the donut fits. Remember to administer a tetanus shot.
Yeah, I have had some get a little big. Takes some maneuvering to get both oysters below the band.
I guess this isn't the time to tell you that myself, nor my dad have ever given tetanus when banding? I suppose we should, but so far it's been cheaper to not. Is tetanus a regional thing?
Well you said I couldn't offer a cut vs band response (we cut) so I had to throw in the tetanus recommendation. I have read on this forum that a tetanus shot was the preferred protocol so I repeated it to make me sound more authoritative.
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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bright Raven » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 am

I use the bigger bander that uses the surgical tubing bands. It has more room for a larger scrotum. As long as they have had the two tetanus toxoid shots, you are fine.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:55 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:43 am
Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:40 am
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am


That will work just as well assuming the donut fits. Remember to administer a tetanus shot.
Yeah, I have had some get a little big. Takes some maneuvering to get both oysters below the band.
I guess this isn't the time to tell you that myself, nor my dad have ever given tetanus when banding? I suppose we should, but so far it's been cheaper to not. Is tetanus a regional thing?
Well you said I couldn't offer a cut vs band response (we cut) so I had to throw in the tetanus recommendation. I have read on this forum that a tetanus shot was the preferred protocol so I repeated it to make me sound more authoritative.
I definitely wasn't arguing with you. It does seem to be normal protocol. Yeah I just didn't want a bunch of responses that said "don't band, banding is bad. Cutting is good. etc ". Kinda like saying "No trades" on a sale ad. If you don't, you'll get all kinds of funny offers. haha

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:55 am

any one used the "zip bandit?"

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:57 am

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any one used the "zip bandit?"
I'm not familiar.
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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Buck Randall » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:57 pm

Tetanus risk is variable by region and farm. I've personally never seen it in calves that were banded at birth. The risk goes up significantly as calves get older and the band makes a bigger wound.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by sstterry » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:20 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:57 am
Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:55 am
any one used the "zip bandit?"
I'm not familiar.
I have on larger bulls with success. They have been temporarily out of business due to a legal dispute, but I have been assured they would be reselling soon.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by TCRanch » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:21 pm

I now band when we work them at appx 3 months and use both the large & small, contingent on the size of the calf (the exception is a cryptorchid and then it's cut). I would definitely recommend a tetanus toxoid in this blazing hot KS summer and make sure they get up a move a couple times a day.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:29 pm

TCRanch wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:21 pm
I now band when we work them at appx 3 months and use both the large & small, contingent on the size of the calf (the exception is a cryptorchid and then it's cut). I would definitely recommend a tetanus toxoid in this blazing hot KS summer and make sure they get up a move a couple times a day.
calves aren't born yet. They'll be here late sept-october. So it would be December when they'd be banded.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by TCRanch » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:29 pm
TCRanch wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:21 pm
I now band when we work them at appx 3 months and use both the large & small, contingent on the size of the calf (the exception is a cryptorchid and then it's cut). I would definitely recommend a tetanus toxoid in this blazing hot KS summer and make sure they get up a move a couple times a day.
calves aren't born yet. They'll be here late sept-october. So it would be December when they'd be banded.
Gotcha. I would still recommend a tetanus toxoid as a relatively inexpensive precaution, especially if they're all bedded down together. Doesn't matter how many times you scrape, it still gets nasty around bales, in barns, lots, etc. 50 doses of Covexin 8 is around $40-45.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:39 pm

oh shoot, I didn't realize covexin 8 has the tetanus portion. That's what I give when we AI cows, and again at weaning. So, I'm set! Thanks!

So I guess I have been giving the tetanus, but typically several months after being banded.

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Re: banding bull calves

Post by Bcompton53 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:42 pm

Bcompton53 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:39 pm
oh shoot, I didn't realize covexin 8 has the tetanus portion. That's what I give when we AI cows, and again at weaning. So, I'm set! Thanks!

So I guess I have been giving the tetanus, but typically several months after being banded.
ha, I realized how this sounds.....to clarify, when I say "that's what we give when we AI cows" What I mean is, that's what we give the calves by their side when we have their mothers in to AI.

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