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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1749297" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>Kind of the same thoughts I have. Give me a well made cow in the 5-6 frame range with that weight range and she'll be productive and efficient for you. We do pay attention to frame size but the difference between a 5 and 6 frame for a yearling bull at 12 months is 2 inches and at 48 months is 2.1 inches so to say you wouldn't use a 5.7 frame bull over a 6.0 frame bull is probably half an inch to maybe an inch difference in height at maturity and is a bit nit picking if everything else about him fits the criteria you are looking for in a bull. Heck those hip height measurements also depend on how good the person is taking the measurement too as you can easily be off if the animal is not standing well or they are not using the correct area at the hip to get their measurement from it's pretty easy to be off by an inch if not done properly.</p><p></p><p>I think getting carcass ultrasounds on bull prospects at yearling is much more valuable selection trait information to be using than hip height is as you could have a 6 frame bull scan a smaller ribeye size that is a full a frame size smaller. To me that scan data is much more telling about the genetic potential than a hip height is. A bull with a bigger ribeye is likely to sire calves with more desirable carcass traits than a larger frame bull with less muscle will. I'll gladly trade off an inch or 2 in height for a deeper and longer rib section. </p><p></p><p>As to heaviest bull we have had on the farm, at maturity they've all topped 2000 lbs but cannot recall exactly what the heaviest one was. Our last herd sire who was a lower 5 frame bull at yearling weighed 2250 when we ran him across the scale when we weaned calves last fall and that was after 2 dry summers here. His ribeye scan at yearling was 15.34 which is one of the best ribeye scans we've probably had one of our yearling bulls scan. Previous herd sire before him was also a lower 5 frame bull that scanned a 14.05 yearling ribeye. His mature weight probably 2200-2300 lbs too when we were done using him and neither of them would I ever consider having been in fat condition, if anything they looked a little thin coming out of pasture most years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1749297, member: 20580"] Kind of the same thoughts I have. Give me a well made cow in the 5-6 frame range with that weight range and she'll be productive and efficient for you. We do pay attention to frame size but the difference between a 5 and 6 frame for a yearling bull at 12 months is 2 inches and at 48 months is 2.1 inches so to say you wouldn't use a 5.7 frame bull over a 6.0 frame bull is probably half an inch to maybe an inch difference in height at maturity and is a bit nit picking if everything else about him fits the criteria you are looking for in a bull. Heck those hip height measurements also depend on how good the person is taking the measurement too as you can easily be off if the animal is not standing well or they are not using the correct area at the hip to get their measurement from it's pretty easy to be off by an inch if not done properly. I think getting carcass ultrasounds on bull prospects at yearling is much more valuable selection trait information to be using than hip height is as you could have a 6 frame bull scan a smaller ribeye size that is a full a frame size smaller. To me that scan data is much more telling about the genetic potential than a hip height is. A bull with a bigger ribeye is likely to sire calves with more desirable carcass traits than a larger frame bull with less muscle will. I'll gladly trade off an inch or 2 in height for a deeper and longer rib section. As to heaviest bull we have had on the farm, at maturity they've all topped 2000 lbs but cannot recall exactly what the heaviest one was. Our last herd sire who was a lower 5 frame bull at yearling weighed 2250 when we ran him across the scale when we weaned calves last fall and that was after 2 dry summers here. His ribeye scan at yearling was 15.34 which is one of the best ribeye scans we've probably had one of our yearling bulls scan. Previous herd sire before him was also a lower 5 frame bull that scanned a 14.05 yearling ribeye. His mature weight probably 2200-2300 lbs too when we were done using him and neither of them would I ever consider having been in fat condition, if anything they looked a little thin coming out of pasture most years. [/QUOTE]
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