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<blockquote data-quote="Dave" data-source="post: 1557654" data-attributes="member: 498"><p>None, like I mean zero of the ranches I toured in Montana had overly large or obese cattle. I went to the well respected Midland Bull Test where they test over 1100 bulls a year from more than 30 states, and none of the bulls were overly fat. I know exactly what I saw, asked a bunch of why questions, and started altering - culling my herd once I got back home. Those cows in Montana must hustle to survive, some places it's a couple of miles between water holes, and 20 acres per AU. Every cow had a couple of jobs besides trying to survive, and that was to raise a calf and breed back in a 60 day window. </p><p>Common sense tells me our cattle choices might have something to do with our management practices.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>This is the point I have tried to make. So for a real world example I pulled out the maps of the BLM allotment that is out my back gate. Based on the section lines on the map it is 4 miles east to west. And 3 miles north to south at the widest point. The total acreage is a hair under 5,000 acres. There are a total of 8 water holes (developed springs) in the entire area. Drawing a line from east to west the elevation starts at 3,000 feet, it goes up to 4,700, back down to 3,200, up again to 5,300, down again 3,300, and finally back up to 4,800 feet. That is 4,300 feet of rise in elevation and 3,500 feet of downhill to travel 4 miles. A big fat cow will find a water hole if she is lucky and stay right there. And of course the grass always gets grazed out first by the water holes. Cattle that aren't able to seriously travel will weed themselves out quickly.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Dave, post: 1557654, member: 498"] None, like I mean zero of the ranches I toured in Montana had overly large or obese cattle. I went to the well respected Midland Bull Test where they test over 1100 bulls a year from more than 30 states, and none of the bulls were overly fat. I know exactly what I saw, asked a bunch of why questions, and started altering - culling my herd once I got back home. Those cows in Montana must hustle to survive, some places it's a couple of miles between water holes, and 20 acres per AU. Every cow had a couple of jobs besides trying to survive, and that was to raise a calf and breed back in a 60 day window. Common sense tells me our cattle choices might have something to do with our management practices. [/quote] This is the point I have tried to make. So for a real world example I pulled out the maps of the BLM allotment that is out my back gate. Based on the section lines on the map it is 4 miles east to west. And 3 miles north to south at the widest point. The total acreage is a hair under 5,000 acres. There are a total of 8 water holes (developed springs) in the entire area. Drawing a line from east to west the elevation starts at 3,000 feet, it goes up to 4,700, back down to 3,200, up again to 5,300, down again 3,300, and finally back up to 4,800 feet. That is 4,300 feet of rise in elevation and 3,500 feet of downhill to travel 4 miles. A big fat cow will find a water hole if she is lucky and stay right there. And of course the grass always gets grazed out first by the water holes. Cattle that aren't able to seriously travel will weed themselves out quickly. [/QUOTE]
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