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<blockquote data-quote="gizmom" data-source="post: 1540849" data-attributes="member: 13402"><p>You have all made good points, I look at EPD's but I don't put as much weight on the EPD's as I do on phenotype or cow family. The two Charlo calves are out of our donor, she wouldn't be in the donor pen if I didn't like her. The E22 calf is out of a EXT daughter that goes back to the gret C11 cow. When I say great C11 cow you need to understand that she wasn't famous but she was sure good. A friend owned her and flushed her numerous times. She was the kind that no matter what you bred her to it just worked. I tried for years to obtain a daughter out of her and finally succeeded getting 658. B17 is a ET daughter of 658 E22 was her 2nd calf so not as much performance data as I would like yet on the cow. She did breed back AI after her first calf, she is a beautiful cow with a picture perfect udder. </p><p></p><p>Silver</p><p>The weaning weights and yearling weights are fine for our part of the country. We don't creep, we do feed the bulls after weaning but we don't push them hard at all. The ones we develop at home are 150 to 200 pounds lighter than those we send to bull test. Our bulls tend to do pretty good on test, the reason we started sending them was to insure we were developing bulls that were as good as other purebred breeders in our region. I would imagine the bulls seem lite to you but they are performing fine for our environment, in your part of the world they would be weighing a couple hundred pounds more at weaning and yearling, just the difference in environment.</p><p></p><p>We genomic test all of our young bulls so the EPD's are genomic enhanced, we have customers that think EPD's are the most important thing to look at and study each and every one. We also have customers that only look at BW WW and YW. Then we have customers that call and tell me to pick them one that will work on heifers and a couple to put on cows. Knowing the bulls mamma and grand mamma is as important a tool for me as any of the EPD's.</p><p></p><p>Gizmom</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gizmom, post: 1540849, member: 13402"] You have all made good points, I look at EPD’s but I don’t put as much weight on the EPD’s as I do on phenotype or cow family. The two Charlo calves are out of our donor, she wouldn’t be in the donor pen if I didn’t like her. The E22 calf is out of a EXT daughter that goes back to the gret C11 cow. When I say great C11 cow you need to understand that she wasn’t famous but she was sure good. A friend owned her and flushed her numerous times. She was the kind that no matter what you bred her to it just worked. I tried for years to obtain a daughter out of her and finally succeeded getting 658. B17 is a ET daughter of 658 E22 was her 2nd calf so not as much performance data as I would like yet on the cow. She did breed back AI after her first calf, she is a beautiful cow with a picture perfect udder. Silver The weaning weights and yearling weights are fine for our part of the country. We don’t creep, we do feed the bulls after weaning but we don’t push them hard at all. The ones we develop at home are 150 to 200 pounds lighter than those we send to bull test. Our bulls tend to do pretty good on test, the reason we started sending them was to insure we were developing bulls that were as good as other purebred breeders in our region. I would imagine the bulls seem lite to you but they are performing fine for our environment, in your part of the world they would be weighing a couple hundred pounds more at weaning and yearling, just the difference in environment. We genomic test all of our young bulls so the EPD’s are genomic enhanced, we have customers that think EPD’s are the most important thing to look at and study each and every one. We also have customers that only look at BW WW and YW. Then we have customers that call and tell me to pick them one that will work on heifers and a couple to put on cows. Knowing the bulls mamma and grand mamma is as important a tool for me as any of the EPD’s. Gizmom [/QUOTE]
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