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<blockquote data-quote="Farm Family" data-source="post: 1843325" data-attributes="member: 43070"><p>This is our 2nd LGD. Our first one sadly died of a congenital issue that flew under the radar and we were blessed to have him as long as we did. He was an Anatolian Shepherd/Kangal and boy he trucked the miles…covered 7 quarters and crown land. He worked til his dying breath. Vet had him in clinic…said his test was wrong, dog should be dead, leave him with me so I can run it again. Left him, vet said he worked till all the lights were out, would not rest. 2nd test confirmed he was a walking dead dog. Told hang in your people coming to say goodbye…we did not make it in time he died right before we got there. Good boy! Vet carried him to truck…said he was awesome, which he was! </p><p></p><p>Neighbours had no issue with his travelling cause he worked their place too but it irritated me. He was not cow bonded. Great with poultry but I found him indifferent with the cows…good in that he was kind and would protect I know without a doubt but he lacked an intimate bond. He got bored of them. He didn't like the cows as much as this pup. This pup loves her cows and that love, imo keeps her home. The Maremma and the Kuvasz keep her home too, those two breeds are more herd minders, ground zero protectors. Anatolian and Kangal are border patrollers. I also feel females tend to stay home more than a male. Idk…more nurturing, love babies, mothering, perhaps?</p><p></p><p>This girl at 2 has no issue running coyotes away, she has also barked a grizzly away and a cat (cougar). So the name of her game is making herself big and loud. She has no desire to get hurt. She has a perimeter that encompasses her charges. Nothing gets in those lines. She chases off even ravens. Then she has a 2nd line she will run coyotes to if they challenge her space. If they keep going she sweeps, marks, barks and keeps them motivated to leaving. Once she feels they are off and not coming back she returns to the herd. If they don't or turn back she meets the challenge again and will run them again. We have witnessed the 3rd challenge and by then, so far, everything knows she means business and by then we are heading out there to support her. She works a single quarter easily.</p><p></p><p>She alone cannot take on a pack. Here she does not have to. Most predators will take another route. Our land is open, surrounded by tree so most wild animals don't like to be in the open long. She has them "trained" to stick to the trees for the most part. When they challenge her to cross she "talks them out of it".</p><p></p><p>The cat she was 8 months old. I heard her 1st bark…"I know you are around move on". I heard her 2nd bark "I said move along and now I mean business". Heard 3rd bark was "I mean now"…she was very"big" and very "loud"in a very defensive stance…I opened the window cause she positioned herself by the house. I yelled "leave her alone" not sure what was in the trees but saw the cat's tail in the moon when it turned and heard it bound through the trees. She stayed barking…pursued to mark her territory when she felt safe to do so and returned to her cows. </p><p></p><p>The grizzly was this past fall. 2 am same barking at the crown land NE of house. I yelled. Again saw nothing. Heard a "woof", something turn in the underbrush and high tail it. She pursued slightly to tell it she meant leave. Like cougar…Marked territory and returned to me then her cows. We know it was a bear cause trail cameras picked it up at same time, same location. Bear travelled east then swung south and then proceeded west on the south side of us. Neighbours say hit our corner and said "hell no" easier, quieter approach than this nonsense<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😂" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" data-shortname=":joy:" /></p><p></p><p>If her people weren't there would things have gone different? Maybe? But her sole job is to alert and stand her ground. "Hold the line" We do the rest. Would she lay her life? I have zero doubt she would.</p><p></p><p>Our losses have gone to zero so that tells us she is doing her job and she does not, at this time, need additional help (ie. another dog) </p><p></p><p>Yes she has instinct that drives confidence and skill but she also has been a lot of training and we are a team…she is a valued employee, she counts on us as much as we count on her.</p><p></p><p>Males have size over the females. Either can work!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Farm Family, post: 1843325, member: 43070"] This is our 2nd LGD. Our first one sadly died of a congenital issue that flew under the radar and we were blessed to have him as long as we did. He was an Anatolian Shepherd/Kangal and boy he trucked the miles…covered 7 quarters and crown land. He worked til his dying breath. Vet had him in clinic…said his test was wrong, dog should be dead, leave him with me so I can run it again. Left him, vet said he worked till all the lights were out, would not rest. 2nd test confirmed he was a walking dead dog. Told hang in your people coming to say goodbye…we did not make it in time he died right before we got there. Good boy! Vet carried him to truck…said he was awesome, which he was! Neighbours had no issue with his travelling cause he worked their place too but it irritated me. He was not cow bonded. Great with poultry but I found him indifferent with the cows…good in that he was kind and would protect I know without a doubt but he lacked an intimate bond. He got bored of them. He didn’t like the cows as much as this pup. This pup loves her cows and that love, imo keeps her home. The Maremma and the Kuvasz keep her home too, those two breeds are more herd minders, ground zero protectors. Anatolian and Kangal are border patrollers. I also feel females tend to stay home more than a male. Idk…more nurturing, love babies, mothering, perhaps? This girl at 2 has no issue running coyotes away, she has also barked a grizzly away and a cat (cougar). So the name of her game is making herself big and loud. She has no desire to get hurt. She has a perimeter that encompasses her charges. Nothing gets in those lines. She chases off even ravens. Then she has a 2nd line she will run coyotes to if they challenge her space. If they keep going she sweeps, marks, barks and keeps them motivated to leaving. Once she feels they are off and not coming back she returns to the herd. If they don’t or turn back she meets the challenge again and will run them again. We have witnessed the 3rd challenge and by then, so far, everything knows she means business and by then we are heading out there to support her. She works a single quarter easily. She alone cannot take on a pack. Here she does not have to. Most predators will take another route. Our land is open, surrounded by tree so most wild animals don’t like to be in the open long. She has them “trained” to stick to the trees for the most part. When they challenge her to cross she “talks them out of it”. The cat she was 8 months old. I heard her 1st bark…”I know you are around move on”. I heard her 2nd bark “I said move along and now I mean business”. Heard 3rd bark was “I mean now”…she was very”big” and very “loud”in a very defensive stance…I opened the window cause she positioned herself by the house. I yelled “leave her alone” not sure what was in the trees but saw the cat’s tail in the moon when it turned and heard it bound through the trees. She stayed barking…pursued to mark her territory when she felt safe to do so and returned to her cows. The grizzly was this past fall. 2 am same barking at the crown land NE of house. I yelled. Again saw nothing. Heard a “woof”, something turn in the underbrush and high tail it. She pursued slightly to tell it she meant leave. Like cougar…Marked territory and returned to me then her cows. We know it was a bear cause trail cameras picked it up at same time, same location. Bear travelled east then swung south and then proceeded west on the south side of us. Neighbours say hit our corner and said “hell no” easier, quieter approach than this nonsense😂 If her people weren’t there would things have gone different? Maybe? But her sole job is to alert and stand her ground. “Hold the line” We do the rest. Would she lay her life? I have zero doubt she would. Our losses have gone to zero so that tells us she is doing her job and she does not, at this time, need additional help (ie. another dog) Yes she has instinct that drives confidence and skill but she also has been a lot of training and we are a team…she is a valued employee, she counts on us as much as we count on her. Males have size over the females. Either can work! [/QUOTE]
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