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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1830200" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>Angus and Hereford both have closed herd books. That still hasn't stopped other breed genetics from likely getting in at points over the years.</p><p>It's been 25 years or so since I was in the world of registered Charolais. If I remember correctly they had a breeding up program for females. The idea was to breed to a registered Charolais bull each generation from 1/2-3/4-7/8-15/16. At the point that a female was 15/16 she then could have a calf considered purebred status if sired by a registered Charolais bull. The bulls had to be the next generation beyond 15/16 to be registered. Therefore the crossbred component is not the goal of the Charolais breed. Building up to purebred status is the end goal and those percentage cows are not regarded as a marketing strategy of any kind and are are not promoted.</p><p>From what I understand some breed registries like Chianina only require a very low percentage of Chianina.</p><p>Each breed makes their own decision about what they accept.</p><p>In light of the black hide movement, I personally think that Simmentals, Limousins etc did what they had to do in marketing percentage animals.</p><p>Even though I'm not as keen on buying them, they have kept a market share for their respective breeds and especially with Simmentals they have really made a resurgence that I don't think they would have otherwise to the level they have reached.</p><p>It comes down to preference as much as performance. Some people will argue that there is no need to crossbreed at all.</p><p>Some Angus folks promote the idea of straight bred Angus even for commercial terminal. Some believe in 2 way cross some 3way cross and some composites.</p><p>I have my theory on what works best, but it's not as cut and dry simple there are lots of variables, that just have to be figured out for each program.</p><p>While I don't really want to buy cross bred bulls if the other breeds can take advantage of the Angus train and gain market share I understand the reasoning behind it even if I don't particularly like the concept.</p><p>Several years ago I had a thing going where I sold bred heifers. I raised a few but bought most. Most were commercial black. On the sale description when we sold them they were usually listed as Angus or Angus cross, early in by the sales reps.</p><p>As time went on some consignors were breeding their heifers to Simmental bulls instead of Angus. I always used Angus bulls. Then more and more of the heifers were listed as SimAngus instead of Angus cross, and they usually did well in the sale. A lot of ours were Hereford Angus cross they we're listed as BWF. I kind of found a niche with the BWF bred to Angus bulls. </p><p>Occasionally I would have sone commercial crosses like SimAngus and apparently a large local farm that started a nationally known beef branded beef product years ago bought some of our heifers and called to inquire if I had any SimAngus bulls for sale. I wasn't raising bulls at the time just a few registered Angus for my own use.</p><p>I felt a sense of pride and surprised at the same time that they would consider buying a bull from me. We figured they must have really liked the SimAngus.</p><p>Limousin and Gelbvieh have both stayed on the scene with Limflex and Balancers but not to the level of Simmental. </p><p>If buying any of those breeds, personally I'd go with straight Simmental, Limousin or Gelbvieh. Honestly I don't really care for even purebred black Limousins or Gelbviehs I prefer the red. I like the black Simmentals ok though. </p><p>I guess I'm just saying there's something for everybody and options are good as opposed to just all Angus everything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1830200, member: 24816"] Angus and Hereford both have closed herd books. That still hasn't stopped other breed genetics from likely getting in at points over the years. It's been 25 years or so since I was in the world of registered Charolais. If I remember correctly they had a breeding up program for females. The idea was to breed to a registered Charolais bull each generation from 1/2-3/4-7/8-15/16. At the point that a female was 15/16 she then could have a calf considered purebred status if sired by a registered Charolais bull. The bulls had to be the next generation beyond 15/16 to be registered. Therefore the crossbred component is not the goal of the Charolais breed. Building up to purebred status is the end goal and those percentage cows are not regarded as a marketing strategy of any kind and are are not promoted. From what I understand some breed registries like Chianina only require a very low percentage of Chianina. Each breed makes their own decision about what they accept. In light of the black hide movement, I personally think that Simmentals, Limousins etc did what they had to do in marketing percentage animals. Even though I'm not as keen on buying them, they have kept a market share for their respective breeds and especially with Simmentals they have really made a resurgence that I don't think they would have otherwise to the level they have reached. It comes down to preference as much as performance. Some people will argue that there is no need to crossbreed at all. Some Angus folks promote the idea of straight bred Angus even for commercial terminal. Some believe in 2 way cross some 3way cross and some composites. I have my theory on what works best, but it's not as cut and dry simple there are lots of variables, that just have to be figured out for each program. While I don't really want to buy cross bred bulls if the other breeds can take advantage of the Angus train and gain market share I understand the reasoning behind it even if I don't particularly like the concept. Several years ago I had a thing going where I sold bred heifers. I raised a few but bought most. Most were commercial black. On the sale description when we sold them they were usually listed as Angus or Angus cross, early in by the sales reps. As time went on some consignors were breeding their heifers to Simmental bulls instead of Angus. I always used Angus bulls. Then more and more of the heifers were listed as SimAngus instead of Angus cross, and they usually did well in the sale. A lot of ours were Hereford Angus cross they we’re listed as BWF. I kind of found a niche with the BWF bred to Angus bulls. Occasionally I would have sone commercial crosses like SimAngus and apparently a large local farm that started a nationally known beef branded beef product years ago bought some of our heifers and called to inquire if I had any SimAngus bulls for sale. I wasn’t raising bulls at the time just a few registered Angus for my own use. I felt a sense of pride and surprised at the same time that they would consider buying a bull from me. We figured they must have really liked the SimAngus. Limousin and Gelbvieh have both stayed on the scene with Limflex and Balancers but not to the level of Simmental. If buying any of those breeds, personally I’d go with straight Simmental, Limousin or Gelbvieh. Honestly I don’t really care for even purebred black Limousins or Gelbviehs I prefer the red. I like the black Simmentals ok though. I guess I’m just saying there’s something for everybody and options are good as opposed to just all Angus everything. [/QUOTE]
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