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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1823063" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Those Angtus breeders are wrong about the percentage Brahma. Scott's brother has Chi-Angus and Black Simm cows, that he breeds to Brangus bulls ( as well as some half Chi-angus and half- Black simm cows), and his steers always bring that CAB premium. The man that Clay works for has about 400 Corr and LH cows he breeds to his Brangus bulls. And he buys about 600 more each year, from Florida, south Ga and LA ( lower Alabama) that he contracts for. These are from Fla Scrub cows, that he provides the farmers his Brangus bulls, and buys the calves at a set price. He feeds then from weaning to about 1000lbs, then sends them to Oklahoma to a feed lot for 90 days. These always bring a premium when they sell. Another guy we met, has red and black Brangus that he breeds with homozygous for black Simm bulls, and those calves bring the premium as well. It don't take a lot of Angus blood to meet the marbling and REA requirements for CAB. Your Herf/Ang black baldies will bring a premium. So will your Black Herefords., and they can be 61/64ths ( 95%) red Hereford. Simmental marble just as well as angus, and black Simms will just about all be certified CAB at slaughter. </p><p>I have been following what you are doing with your program of using Simm, Herf, and Angus. I bet that any of your black calves, even the ones with very little angus, will all bring the premium. If your Simm bull was black, and your Herefords were Black Herefords, every dang one of them would, I bet, no matter if they had very little angus in them. </p><p></p><p>You are right about old prejudices dying hard. There are none left of my granddaddy's generation ( he was born in 1911) but all of the old farmers that were his friends, hanging out at the sale barn, still maintained that there was no better beef than Jersey! They called it "sweet meat". Of course , growing up that was all they had to eat, They all had jersey milk cows, and when she freshened with a bull calf, they would steer it and raise it for beef. Even I myself still have a latent....and unwarranted... dislike of Simm and Char bulls, because of the days of the "cow killlers" when they first appeared, though I actually know this isn't an issue anymore. And, there are still some people around here, that don't want anything to do with Herefords, because of the eye, foot and udder problems, they think ALL Herefords have, though these aren't much of an issue anymore. Cattlemen who think outside the box, that ignore old prejudices and are willing to experiment, based on actual science, tend to be the most successful. People are all the time coming up with different crosses that perform very well, and some that don't. Kudos to those who try. Then again, if you want a cross-bred commercial program that is guaranteed to work, it is hard to beat that nearly 200 year-old, tried and true, Herf x Angus black baldy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1823063, member: 40587"] Those Angtus breeders are wrong about the percentage Brahma. Scott's brother has Chi-Angus and Black Simm cows, that he breeds to Brangus bulls ( as well as some half Chi-angus and half- Black simm cows), and his steers always bring that CAB premium. The man that Clay works for has about 400 Corr and LH cows he breeds to his Brangus bulls. And he buys about 600 more each year, from Florida, south Ga and LA ( lower Alabama) that he contracts for. These are from Fla Scrub cows, that he provides the farmers his Brangus bulls, and buys the calves at a set price. He feeds then from weaning to about 1000lbs, then sends them to Oklahoma to a feed lot for 90 days. These always bring a premium when they sell. Another guy we met, has red and black Brangus that he breeds with homozygous for black Simm bulls, and those calves bring the premium as well. It don't take a lot of Angus blood to meet the marbling and REA requirements for CAB. Your Herf/Ang black baldies will bring a premium. So will your Black Herefords., and they can be 61/64ths ( 95%) red Hereford. Simmental marble just as well as angus, and black Simms will just about all be certified CAB at slaughter. I have been following what you are doing with your program of using Simm, Herf, and Angus. I bet that any of your black calves, even the ones with very little angus, will all bring the premium. If your Simm bull was black, and your Herefords were Black Herefords, every dang one of them would, I bet, no matter if they had very little angus in them. You are right about old prejudices dying hard. There are none left of my granddaddy's generation ( he was born in 1911) but all of the old farmers that were his friends, hanging out at the sale barn, still maintained that there was no better beef than Jersey! They called it "sweet meat". Of course , growing up that was all they had to eat, They all had jersey milk cows, and when she freshened with a bull calf, they would steer it and raise it for beef. Even I myself still have a latent....and unwarranted... dislike of Simm and Char bulls, because of the days of the "cow killlers" when they first appeared, though I actually know this isn't an issue anymore. And, there are still some people around here, that don't want anything to do with Herefords, because of the eye, foot and udder problems, they think ALL Herefords have, though these aren't much of an issue anymore. Cattlemen who think outside the box, that ignore old prejudices and are willing to experiment, based on actual science, tend to be the most successful. People are all the time coming up with different crosses that perform very well, and some that don't. Kudos to those who try. Then again, if you want a cross-bred commercial program that is guaranteed to work, it is hard to beat that nearly 200 year-old, tried and true, Herf x Angus black baldy. [/QUOTE]
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