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<blockquote data-quote="elkwc" data-source="post: 1517808" data-attributes="member: 22295"><p>Bright Raven IMO some bone was lost on Angus and even Herefords in the selection for BW/CE. They lost a lot of the muscle also. And is why there were so many hatchet reared cattle with chicken bones. Then when some started adding muscle back for some reason they didn't get the corresponding needed bone. The crippled bull we sold this winter was IMO because he had more muscle and mass than he did bone structure. I prefer a big bone on my cattle. Like you said many times it correlates to more muscling and I've seen less structural issues when adequate bone was there. The Angus bull I raised from the bred registered Angus cow I bought has a big bone. One reason I kept him I hope he will add some bone to the herd.The bone comes from his mothers side. His granddam has produced herd sires that are in herds from western OK to Canada. That line passes on the bone and muscling. The old Angus or the 60's and 70's had more bone and muscling on a average basis. At least in this area. The horned Hereford bull we bought this spring has nice bone and muscling. </p><p>Bone and muscling are one reason I've been considering at least looking at a black Simmi when we buy our next bull. It will likely be a Simmi or another Hereford. Right now the good boned, good muscled Angus bulls are too high. Seems every breeder is looking for them.</p><p></p><p>IMO opinion the polled cattle in many instances are improving on the muscling part but have failed to add the needed bone. You find exceptions but the general rule IMO is that they need more bone for the muscle and mass they are carrying.</p><p>And the final reason I prefer bone is the feeder buyers like it on a calf and will pay for it. They say that it is one indicator of a calf that will feed well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elkwc, post: 1517808, member: 22295"] Bright Raven IMO some bone was lost on Angus and even Herefords in the selection for BW/CE. They lost a lot of the muscle also. And is why there were so many hatchet reared cattle with chicken bones. Then when some started adding muscle back for some reason they didn't get the corresponding needed bone. The crippled bull we sold this winter was IMO because he had more muscle and mass than he did bone structure. I prefer a big bone on my cattle. Like you said many times it correlates to more muscling and I've seen less structural issues when adequate bone was there. The Angus bull I raised from the bred registered Angus cow I bought has a big bone. One reason I kept him I hope he will add some bone to the herd.The bone comes from his mothers side. His granddam has produced herd sires that are in herds from western OK to Canada. That line passes on the bone and muscling. The old Angus or the 60's and 70's had more bone and muscling on a average basis. At least in this area. The horned Hereford bull we bought this spring has nice bone and muscling. Bone and muscling are one reason I've been considering at least looking at a black Simmi when we buy our next bull. It will likely be a Simmi or another Hereford. Right now the good boned, good muscled Angus bulls are too high. Seems every breeder is looking for them. IMO opinion the polled cattle in many instances are improving on the muscling part but have failed to add the needed bone. You find exceptions but the general rule IMO is that they need more bone for the muscle and mass they are carrying. And the final reason I prefer bone is the feeder buyers like it on a calf and will pay for it. They say that it is one indicator of a calf that will feed well. [/QUOTE]
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