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Bestoutwest":1l8w7ylc said:I like how he talks about not doing something b/c it's unchristian yet drops the F-bomb.
And this video is a just a rehash of the redneck that sits in the truck and talks.
What I'm wondering is how many good, white, Christians are there that rail against those taking money out of the system but they themselves are some sort of government assistance? How many cheat on their wives? How many good "patriots" that stand for the anthem and all that rah, rah, go America stuff cheat on their taxes? Which is essentially handicapping the country, and their state and community, that they profess to love. Or shop in a state that doesn't have sales tax to save a buck? How much money does that Prather guy give to the Wounded Warrior fund? The Pat Tillman Foundation or the Chris Kyle Foundation? Or if he doesn't donate, does he volunteer somewhere to help those that are in need of some sort of assistance? Have these good "Patriots" that stand at the anthem done anything more for their country than to just pay their taxes or do they do community service and make a difference?
What I'm getting at is that just because someone stands for the anthem, or goes to church every week does not make them a good person. In the same light a person that kneels, peacefully, at the anthem to support a cause which they think needs their support is not a bad person.
Dogs and Cows":2wbb96fw said:Is your use of the term redneck meant as a slur?? Just curious...
Also, standing for the Anthem for me is honoring every service man and woman that has served this country...Including my son, my future son in law, my father, my grandfathers, my father in law...as well as all the great men and women that serve that I do not know, but sure appreciate everything they have done for this country. Heck, I am in NC and a big hockey fan...and I used to get choked up on the hockey night in Canada intermission show when they showed the names and pictures of the Canadian youngsters who had lost their lives in service to their country. So I do take it personally that these folks are showing disrespect to the people that fought/fight to allow them to do so...I am a believer that they have the right of free speech to demonstrate in this manner...especially if the NFL allows it...but I and everyone else sure has the right to speak our minds about how we think.
Lastly, you talk a lot about taxes...I am in love with the United States of America not with the federal government...the federal government has engaged in mission creep since FDR. I take care of my and my own as my family comes first. It is then up to us to decide where excess monies go to help the less fortunate...church, Shriners hospital for children, St. Jude...local animal shelter...where ever someone want to contribute (these are just examples). The federal government has proven way too many times that they waist my tax contributions on things they have no business being involved in.
These are just my thoughts, so please don't think of me as some heartless person...I am just a fella who is self made (never got a gov handout), pays his "share" of taxes only to be abused by those who think they know better what to do with my money, and who donates time and resources to my community. Funny thing...the taxes folks pay...how many liberals volunteer to pay more taxes to help the unfortunate??? They always want someone else to pay more...never them..wonder why?
Long ramble...sorry.
Tim
Bestoutwest":57l24zqt said:I like how he talks about not doing something b/c it's unchristian yet drops the F-bomb.
And this video is a just a rehash of the redneck that sits in the truck and talks.
What I'm wondering is how many good, white, Christians are there that rail against those taking money out of the system but they themselves are some sort of government assistance? How many cheat on their wives? How many good "patriots" that stand for the anthem and all that rah, rah, go America stuff cheat on their taxes? Which is essentially handicapping the country, and their state and community, that they profess to love. Or shop in a state that doesn't have sales tax to save a buck? How much money does that Prather guy give to the Wounded Warrior fund? The Pat Tillman Foundation or the Chris Kyle Foundation? Or if he doesn't donate, does he volunteer somewhere to help those that are in need of some sort of assistance? Have these good "Patriots" that stand at the anthem done anything more for their country than to just pay their taxes or do they do community service and make a difference?
What I'm getting at is that just because someone stands for the anthem, or goes to church every week does not make them a good person. In the same light a person that kneels, peacefully, at the anthem to support a cause which they think needs their support is not a bad person.
He's getting a little big to be playing like that.. at least I think it's a steerBright Raven":2cic6cnj said:
He's just making him safe for his family to be aroundNesikep":mbtagak0 said:He's getting a little big to be playing like that.. at least I think it's a steerBright Raven":mbtagak0 said:
callmefence":2835xp17 said:I bow my head to pray, I stand at attention to anthem. I pay my taxes. I don't cheat on my wife. I never even cheated on a girlfriend. I don't lie. I apologize when I'm wrong( which is a lot) I am very polite unless you're rude to me then I can be very impolite. I open doors for women. And I say sir and ma'am.
Because that's how I was raised.
It's customary in this country to stand at attention for the anthem. To not do so is bad manners and shows sorry upbringing.
Most of these people you are supporting don't know what their even protesting. And that they don't have the right to do it at work should their employers. The NFL forbid it.
Nesikep":2e35rkzn said:I don't quite see why it's for me.. but it was a well thought out piece
There are things that confuse me though.. Kneel to pray to be respectful, stand for the anthem to be respectful, and then lets get into hats.. on or off?
https://youtu.be/NNkkko4vlBs (Trigger warning, people who need a safe space may not like this piece from George Carlin)
When it all comes down to it, respect and patriotism go beyond all this symbolic crap, it's what you DO that matters.. you know, the choices you make on a day to day basis that affect how your country will be viewed, etc.
He had the balls to say a lot of things before it was popular to say them..Bright Raven":3sbpua7o said:Nesikep":3sbpua7o said:I don't quite see why it's for me.. but it was a well thought out piece
There are things that confuse me though.. Kneel to pray to be respectful, stand for the anthem to be respectful, and then lets get into hats.. on or off?
https://youtu.be/NNkkko4vlBs (Trigger warning, people who need a safe space may not like this piece from George Carlin)
When it all comes down to it, respect and patriotism go beyond all this symbolic crap, it's what you DO that matters.. you know, the choices you make on a day to day basis that affect how your country will be viewed, etc.
George Carlin. There will never be another like him and it is my understanding he wrote his own comedy.
Bestoutwest":ki5a7l80 said:callmefence":ki5a7l80 said:I bow my head to pray, I stand at attention to anthem. I pay my taxes. I don't cheat on my wife. I never even cheated on a girlfriend. I don't lie. I apologize when I'm wrong( which is a lot) I am very polite unless you're rude to me then I can be very impolite. I open doors for women. And I say sir and ma'am.
Because that's how I was raised.
It's customary in this country to stand at attention for the anthem. To not do so is bad manners and shows sorry upbringing.
Most of these people you are supporting don't know what their even protesting. And that they don't have the right to do it at work should their employers. The NFL forbid it.
You missed my point completely. Because someone doesn't stand for a song that we, as a society, have deemed to be sanctified, they are automatically a bad person. We know nothing more about this person than this simple fact that they do not stand for this song. But, since this song is essential to the fabric of America, they must be inherently evil. And because a person goes to church every week and stands for the anthem, they are obviously a good person because they follow a specific guideline that states, "in a blink of an eye" assumption of this person's character, they are a good person. Now, we know nothing of this second person's behavior behind closed doors either. They could beat their children and wife. They could cheat on her. They could steal from their fellow employees, etc, etc, etc. It is human nature to make broad, quick assumptions of a person's character, and evolutionarily this may serve us well, but is it fair?
Secondly, why do you feel the need to defend yourself? I hope you don't feel that I insinuated that all people who fit the church going, self employed group are a bunch of crooks. I don't believe that for a second. Nor would I judge you a bad person by minimal interactions on an internet forum. They, like all segments of society have their bad along with their good. I used that as an example because that type of person is one that we can all relate to as we all know a person that fits that description.
Finally, I would like to clarify that I do not support, nor do I condemn the individuals who kneel during the anthem. Rather I support their first amendment right to do so. There is a clear distinction. And while they are at work, it is obvious that their employers allow them to, and support their decision to, voice their opinion. Likewise, I support the right of white supremacists to peacefully march through the streets of any town in America spouting off about other races-as long as it ends at verbal diarrhea and doesn't progress to violence. While I do not support their message in any way, shape, or form, they have the same rights to free speech that you and I do. Whether anyone listens is an entirely different debate.
Take care
Bestoutwest":fty61fdj said:I like how he talks about not doing something b/c it's unchristian yet drops the F-bomb.
And this video is a just a rehash of the redneck that sits in the truck and talks.
What I'm wondering is how many good, white, Christians are there that rail against those taking money out of the system but they themselves are some sort of government assistance? How many cheat on their wives? How many good "patriots" that stand for the anthem and all that rah, rah, go America stuff cheat on their taxes? Which is essentially handicapping the country, and their state and community, that they profess to love. Or shop in a state that doesn't have sales tax to save a buck? How much money does that Prather guy give to the Wounded Warrior fund? The Pat Tillman Foundation or the Chris Kyle Foundation? Or if he doesn't donate, does he volunteer somewhere to help those that are in need of some sort of assistance? Have these good "Patriots" that stand at the anthem done anything more for their country than to just pay their taxes or do they do community service and make a difference?
What I'm getting at is that just because someone stands for the anthem, or goes to church every week does not make them a good person. In the same light a person that kneels, peacefully, at the anthem to support a cause which they think needs their support is not a bad person.
Ky hills":3fjy7ayp said:Bestoutwest":3fjy7ayp said:I like how he talks about not doing something b/c it's unchristian yet drops the F-bomb.
And this video is a just a rehash of the redneck that sits in the truck and talks.
What I'm wondering is how many good, white, Christians are there that rail against those taking money out of the system but they themselves are some sort of government assistance? How many cheat on their wives? How many good "patriots" that stand for the anthem and all that rah, rah, go America stuff cheat on their taxes? Which is essentially handicapping the country, and their state and community, that they profess to love. Or shop in a state that doesn't have sales tax to save a buck? How much money does that Prather guy give to the Wounded Warrior fund? The Pat Tillman Foundation or the Chris Kyle Foundation? Or if he doesn't donate, does he volunteer somewhere to help those that are in need of some sort of assistance? Have these good "Patriots" that stand at the anthem done anything more for their country than to just pay their taxes or do they do community service and make a difference?
What I'm getting at is that just because someone stands for the anthem, or goes to church every week does not make them a good person. In the same light a person that kneels, peacefully, at the anthem to support a cause which they think needs their support is not a bad person.
Not intending to take this further into a religious discussion, but feel it necessary to say that you are correct in your assessment that just because someone goes to church every week or even every time the door is open, doesn't make them a good person. Likewise the fact that someone doesn't go to church does not mean that they are not a good person. It is what is in each individuals heart that matters. We will all be held accountable for what is in our hearts and the decisions that we do or don't make. If a person's heart is truly invested in their faith, then they should ideally strive to live that example, by showing kindness, love, honesty and understanding.
True Grit Farms":r9m57vzx said:Ky hills":r9m57vzx said:Bestoutwest":r9m57vzx said:I like how he talks about not doing something b/c it's unchristian yet drops the F-bomb.
And this video is a just a rehash of the redneck that sits in the truck and talks.
What I'm wondering is how many good, white, Christians are there that rail against those taking money out of the system but they themselves are some sort of government assistance? How many cheat on their wives? How many good "patriots" that stand for the anthem and all that rah, rah, go America stuff cheat on their taxes? Which is essentially handicapping the country, and their state and community, that they profess to love. Or shop in a state that doesn't have sales tax to save a buck? How much money does that Prather guy give to the Wounded Warrior fund? The Pat Tillman Foundation or the Chris Kyle Foundation? Or if he doesn't donate, does he volunteer somewhere to help those that are in need of some sort of assistance? Have these good "Patriots" that stand at the anthem done anything more for their country than to just pay their taxes or do they do community service and make a difference?
What I'm getting at is that just because someone stands for the anthem, or goes to church every week does not make them a good person. In the same light a person that kneels, peacefully, at the anthem to support a cause which they think needs their support is not a bad person.
Not intending to take this further into a religious discussion, but feel it necessary to say that you are correct in your assessment that just because someone goes to church every week or even every time the door is open, doesn't make them a good person. Likewise the fact that someone doesn't go to church does not mean that they are not a good person. It is what is in each individuals heart that matters. We will all be held accountable for what is in our hearts and the decisions that we do or don't make. If a person's heart is truly invested in their faith, then they should ideally strive to live that example, by showing kindness, love, honesty and understanding.
I find that last one the hardest, there's things I see and read daily that I can't comprehend.