TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by bmoore87 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:05 pm

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Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:OK, I can buy it from my supplier, but they have Rumensen 120 - how much would I need of that per bag??
We always fed Bovetec when we custom mixed out mineral, and I feel we are slacking not having it (money savings on feed).
Greatly appreciate your help!!

4 oz to each Monensin 120 would give you 1200 gr/ton monensin


Try feeding it at 1600 gms per ton which equals 200 mg per head per day at 4 oz feed rate. Gives better cocci control and higher feed efficiency. Monensin is not labeled for free choice while bovatec is.



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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by TexasBred » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:46 pm

bmoore87 wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:OK, I can buy it from my supplier, but they have Rumensen 120 - how much would I need of that per bag??
We always fed Bovetec when we custom mixed out mineral, and I feel we are slacking not having it (money savings on feed).
Greatly appreciate your help!!

4 oz to each Monensin 120 would give you 1200 gr/ton monensin


Try feeding it at 1600 gms per ton which equals 200 mg per head per day at 4 oz feed rate. Gives better cocci control and higher feed efficiency. Monensin is not labeled for free choice while bovatec is.

No but companies make it everyday (just as you suggested above) and advise to mix the mineral with feed knowing full well most will be fed free choice. There is a point of diminishing return so don't get carried away thinking the more I include the more gain I'll get. Increased feed efficiency only works to a point. Manufacturer recommended levels are more than enough.
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by bmoore87 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:15 pm

Rumensin: Mature reproducing beef cows

For improved feed efficiency when receiving supplemental feed: Feed continuously at a rate of 50 to 200 mg/hd/d


200mg is labeled rate and gets you the highest feed efficiency. you feed less than that it goes down per elanco rep.

Yes people do. Shouldnt have issues with cows if your consistent but know people who had problems when calves got in the feeder.

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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:58 am

This is going in my free-choice mineral. I always (in the past) fed Bovatec. Is this a problem with newborns/calves?
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by TexasBred » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:33 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:This is going in my free-choice mineral. I always (in the past) fed Bovatec. Is this a problem with newborns/calves?

No because they probably won't touch it. You can by milk replacer with Bovatec.
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:38 pm

Yes, you are right about the milk replacer - and you would be surprised how much those little buggers big that heavy rubber flap up & eat the mineral!! Surprises me!
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by bmoore87 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:22 am

Yes, agree with TB you should be fine. Bovatec is safe for calves and much harder to overdose on.

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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:56 am

but, I am using Rumensin not Bovatec.
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by bmoore87 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 pm

Sorry missread what you were saying.

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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by TexasBred » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:12 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:but, I am using Rumensin not Bovatec.

Jeanne there are companies making mineral with Monensin but I still question how much mineral a week old calf would consume. I use to feed a calf starter with monensin to all our dairy calves but can't recall the inclusion rate etc.
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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by BFE » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:15 pm

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Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:40 pm
For a hi mag mineral it looks pretty good. Often times it seems companies cut corners on hi mag mineral but the vitamin levels, zinc, copper, selenium. Could use a bit more phos. but not absolutely necessary. Should work for you.

How do these look? I've been using Kent for years now.



Framework 365 Mineral® MG
Brood cows may experience tetany when grazing lush pasture or low-energy stalk fields and during periods of stress. Lush, cool season, spring grass and wheat pasture present the greatest threat for grass tetany. To help prevent grass tetany, offer Kent MG Mineral free-choice 3 to 4 weeks before cows are turned out on pasture and during the pre- and post-calving phase.
Winter tetany occurs when cows consume excess amounts of low-magnesium forage (stalks) with minimal amounts of grain. Offering Kent MG mineral and Kent EnergiLass Super Hi-Mag 12 or MG mineral and grain will help reduce the incidence of winter tetany.
Feeding Directions Guaranteed Analysis
Calcium (Ca), min
7.2%
Calcium (Ca), max
8.6%
Phosphorus (P), min
3.75%
Salt (NaCl), min
13.5%
Salt (NaCl), max
16.2%
Magnesium (Mg), min
12.0%
Potassium (K), min
0.1%
Copper (Cu), min
1450 ppm
Manganese (Mn), min
4950 ppm
Selenium (Se), min
26.4 ppm
Zinc (Zn), min
4750 ppm
Vitamin A, min
237,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D3, min
19,000 IU/lb
Vitamin E, min
190 IU/lb

Framework 365 Mineral® ADE
During lactation, the cow is providing nutrient-rich milk to a rapidly growing calf at the same time pasture quality begins to deteriorate because of grass maturity and dry late summer conditions. The result is a nutrient-deficient cow that may become thin and produce a weak calf next spring.
Kent ADE mineral provided free-choice along with Kent EnergiLass 20 or grain will aid the cow through this phase. A quality creep feeding program will also help by reducing the calf’s dependency on the cow’s milk.
Feeding Directions Guaranteed Analysis
Calcium (Ca), min
15.3%
Calcium (Ca), max
18.3%
Phosphorus (P), min
7.5%
Salt (NaCl), min
13.5%
Salt (NaCl), max
16.2%
Magnesium (Mg), min
0.5%
Potassium (K), min
0.15%
Copper (Cu), min
1450 ppm
Manganese (Mn), min
4950 ppm
Selenium (Se), min
26.4 ppm
Zinc (Zn), min
4750 ppm
Vitamin A, min
380,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D3, min
100,000 IU/lb
Vitamin E, min
375 IU/lb

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Re: TexasBred, what's your advice on this mineral?

Post by TexasBred » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:35 pm

BFE both minerals are very typical for the purposes stated for use. The high mag like most hi mag minerals will have calcium and phosphorus reduced but with good levels of zinc, manganese, copper, cobalt, selenium and vitamins so as long as it is palatable it should do the job for you. The 2nd mineral is just a good all around mineral with guarantees much in line with most other minerals so it too should work fine. No idea how mineral is priced in your area but the Hi Mag shouldn't be over $18-20 a bag and the other maybe $24-25 (guessing). Best wishes.
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