My Fence Project

fasttommy":24bilksh said:

Mr. BR,

The picture of the double brace. I have seen this before, where a fence is braced two directions on a mild angle, but the wire is then wrapped around the post without being tied off. Is the brace actually doing anything in that situation? If the wire was tied off yes, but just wrapped around like it is, seems like a moot point. I have also seen this on straight runs of fence, at pull braces. Maybe more of a question for the fence guys. Thanks.

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callmefence":2cb9713w said:

fasttommy":2cb9713w said:

Mr. BR,

The picture of the double brace. I have seen this before, where a fence is braced two directions on a mild angle, but the wire is then wrapped around the post without being tied off. Is the brace actually doing anything in that situation? If the wire was tied off yes, but just wrapped around like it is, seems like a moot point. I have also seen this on straight runs of fence, at pull braces. Maybe more of a question for the fence guys. Thanks.

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my answer is it doent matter if the wire runs around the brace or is made off around the post. its main purpose is to simply turn the fence. I do agree that when you have a turn of less than about 45 degrees a brace in line with the fence does not offer its full strength. in these situations I prefer a single pipe post with a diagonal to a deadman perpendicular to the fence. and simply pullaround it. line braces in a straight run are a waste off time and materials imo. the exception being on extremely long stretches. in this case it only servers as place to break the streatchs down into manageable size. for me this is usually about half a mile.

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fasttommy":1u0fib1u said:

Mr. BR,

The picture of the double brace. I have seen this before, where a fence is braced two directions on a mild angle, but the wire is then wrapped around the post without being tied off. Is the brace actually doing anything in that situation? If the wire was tied off yes, but just wrapped around like it is, seems like a moot point. I have also seen this on straight runs of fence, at pull braces. Maybe more of a question for the fence guys. Thanks.

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Bright Raven":2boolrgv said:

fasttommy":2boolrgv said:

Mr. BR,

The picture of the double brace. I have seen this before, where a fence is braced two directions on a mild angle, but the wire is then wrapped around the post without being tied off. Is the brace actually doing anything in that situation? If the wire was tied off yes, but just wrapped around like it is, seems like a moot point. I have also seen this on straight runs of fence, at pull braces. Maybe more of a question for the fence guys. Thanks.

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I defer to the fence guys. My comments are as follows:

First, I don't want a brace like the one FFS pictured. I mow along the fence lines and I would prefer not having that obstruction.

Second, there is added strength in the three brace posts versus line posts.

Third, I disagree that it is moot. There is still some redistribution of FORCES. In physics you represent forces with arrows. Refer to force diagram:

The sum of forces 1 prime and 1 duo is force 2 prime. Granted, force 2 prime is a perpendicular force that would seem to make the brace less efficient but that force is to some extent (not quantified) redistributed to the two lateral brace posts as shown by the primary forces 1 prime and 1 duo.

FN: Capital P is an 8 foot brace post.

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callmefence":1wnkjk7k said:

Bright Raven":1wnkjk7k said:

fasttommy":1wnkjk7k said:

Mr. BR,

The picture of the double brace. I have seen this before, where a fence is braced two directions on a mild angle, but the wire is then wrapped around the post without being tied off. Is the brace actually doing anything in that situation? If the wire was tied off yes, but just wrapped around like it is, seems like a moot point. I have also seen this on straight runs of fence, at pull braces. Maybe more of a question for the fence guys. Thanks.

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I defer to the fence guys. My comments are as follows:

First, I don't want a brace like the one FFS pictured. I mow along the fence lines and I would prefer not having that obstruction.

Second, there is added strength in the three brace posts versus line posts.

Third, I disagree that it is moot. There is still some redistribution of FORCES. In physics you represent forces with arrows. Refer to force diagram:

The sum of forces 1 prime and 1 duo is force 2 prime. Granted, force 2 prime is a perpendicular force that would seem to make the brace less efficient but that force is to some extent (not quantified) redistributed to the two lateral brace posts as shown by the primary forces 1 prime and 1 duo.

FN: Capital P is an 8 foot brace post.

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like it or not..farms is done right

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fence_it":2cnljg97 said:

In the 4th picture with the double brace, I assume they used it to pull to and just hard stapled to it? Since I don't see any tie offs.

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bball":22o168ej said:

In the first pic, appears to be a slope. Shouldn't the post be pounded to remain perpendicular to the ground instead of true plumb? (Should be leaned more to the right hand side in pic) or does that not actually matter. What say the professionals?

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fence_it":wxbe18xc said:

In the 4th picture with the double brace, I assume they used it to pull to and just hard stapled to it? Since I don't see any tie offs.

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bball":10a2xz9q said:

In the first pic, appears to be a slope. Shouldn't the post be pounded to remain perpendicular to the ground instead of true plumb? (Should be leaned more to the right hand side in pic) or does that not actually matter. What say the professionals?

Ron, the fence looks darn good.
Do you guys not use steel pipe posts there?

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Bright Raven":19ld3xnw said:

bball":19ld3xnw said:

In the first pic, appears to be a slope. Shouldn't the post be pounded to remain perpendicular to the ground instead of true plumb? (Should be leaned more to the right hand side in pic) or does that not actually matter. What say the professionals?

Ron, the fence looks darn good.
Do you guys not use steel pipe posts there?

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They do lean the corner brace posts in the direction to oppose the force of the stretch. In fact, when Kevin built my first fence about 10 years ago, I ask him why he was not putting the corner posts in "plumb". He explained the reason they don't go in plumb.

I have never seen a pipe post put in the ground in the state of Kentucky. I am sure they must be somewhere but I have not seen it.

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bball":1op1ux6v said:

In the first pic, appears to be a slope. Shouldn't the post be pounded to remain perpendicular to the ground instead of true plumb? (Should be leaned more to the right hand side in pic) or does that not actually matter. What say the professionals?

Ron, the fence looks darn good.
Do you guys not use steel pipe posts there?

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Farm Fence Solutions":1wk0xi8e said:

Bright Raven":1wk0xi8e said:

bball":1wk0xi8e said:

In the first pic, appears to be a slope. Shouldn't the post be pounded to remain perpendicular to the ground instead of true plumb? (Should be leaned more to the right hand side in pic) or does that not actually matter. What say the professionals?

Ron, the fence looks darn good.
Do you guys not use steel pipe posts there?

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They do lean the corner brace posts in the direction to oppose the force of the stretch. In fact, when Kevin built my first fence about 10 years ago, I ask him why he was not putting the corner posts in "plumb". He explained the reason they don't go in plumb.

I have never seen a pipe post put in the ground in the state of Kentucky. I am sure they must be somewhere but I have not seen it.

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You ought to have someone take you for a ride on the interstate, Miss Daisy. Pipe on both sides. lol

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Bright Raven":z3l9mwn7 said:

Farm Fence Solutions":z3l9mwn7 said:

Bright Raven":z3l9mwn7 said:

They do lean the corner brace posts in the direction to oppose the force of the stretch. In fact, when Kevin built my first fence about 10 years ago, I ask him why he was not putting the corner posts in "plumb". He explained the reason they don't go in plumb.

I have never seen a pipe post put in the ground in the state of Kentucky. I am sure they must be somewhere but I have not seen it.

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You ought to have someone take you for a ride on the interstate, Miss Daisy. Pipe on both sides. lol

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Lol. That is true. But I have never seen a farmer here use pipe.

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Farm Fence Solutions":1f9b080h said:

Bright Raven":1f9b080h said:

Farm Fence Solutions":1f9b080h said:

You ought to have someone take you for a ride on the interstate, Miss Daisy. Pipe on both sides. lol

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Lol. That is true. But I have never seen a farmer here use pipe.

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Next time you meet me down south, between the Albany stock yards and our place, keep your eyes peeled. I'll buy you a beer if your pipe fence count is right. ;-)

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