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I have written this post several times but got timed out before I got it posted.
Part. 1 My ezperiences through the time of dwarfism.
We are a commercial, open range cattle operation and have been for 145 years. In 1908 my great grandfather purchased a number of registered horned Hereford females as well as bulls. They finally turned those animals progeny into the commercial herd in the early 30s. When I came on the management scene in the mid 50s the dwarfism thing was in full swing. We had used Thornton Ranch Triumphs out of a Denver champion or class winner, Baca Dukes from the St. Luis Maria Baca Grant ranch, and Alpine Dominos from Trails End Ranch. They were all carriers or "dirty" although we actually had very few dwarf calves. While looking for some "clean" bulls we ran across a CK bull that we just loved. That led us to the CK ranch where we purchased bulls for several years to clean up the mess and have a source large enough to pick a number of bulls from. At that time they advertised 222 bulls in their sale.
At this time we decided to re-establish a purebred herd to produce our own bulls. The theory was that where else could we pick the top calves every year for our bull needs. The fad was still for small cattle so we bought some heifers from Miller and Martensen from Hayden, Colorado and a couple of bulls. They proved to be just too small and were prone to the brisket problem. One bull from them never sired a calf that could reach 1 year of age. They were a failure and mistake.
From that point we went to Franklin Nash for some females and bulls that worked great except for the disposition. We owned quite a few herd bulls in partnership with Franklin. At this time we also used Superior E468 who was straight Anxiety 4th or "in the temple". He was a great bull with length, muscle, thickness and did us a world of good except for the udders which sloped too much from front to rear.
Next came several bulls from Carl Martin of Menard Texas. Carl was as much of a maverick as Ferry Carpenter or more. He was one of the most decorated veterans from WW2. He had basically Anxiety 4th cattle but were not straight enough to be in the temple.
To be continued.
Part. 1 My ezperiences through the time of dwarfism.
We are a commercial, open range cattle operation and have been for 145 years. In 1908 my great grandfather purchased a number of registered horned Hereford females as well as bulls. They finally turned those animals progeny into the commercial herd in the early 30s. When I came on the management scene in the mid 50s the dwarfism thing was in full swing. We had used Thornton Ranch Triumphs out of a Denver champion or class winner, Baca Dukes from the St. Luis Maria Baca Grant ranch, and Alpine Dominos from Trails End Ranch. They were all carriers or "dirty" although we actually had very few dwarf calves. While looking for some "clean" bulls we ran across a CK bull that we just loved. That led us to the CK ranch where we purchased bulls for several years to clean up the mess and have a source large enough to pick a number of bulls from. At that time they advertised 222 bulls in their sale.
At this time we decided to re-establish a purebred herd to produce our own bulls. The theory was that where else could we pick the top calves every year for our bull needs. The fad was still for small cattle so we bought some heifers from Miller and Martensen from Hayden, Colorado and a couple of bulls. They proved to be just too small and were prone to the brisket problem. One bull from them never sired a calf that could reach 1 year of age. They were a failure and mistake.
From that point we went to Franklin Nash for some females and bulls that worked great except for the disposition. We owned quite a few herd bulls in partnership with Franklin. At this time we also used Superior E468 who was straight Anxiety 4th or "in the temple". He was a great bull with length, muscle, thickness and did us a world of good except for the udders which sloped too much from front to rear.
Next came several bulls from Carl Martin of Menard Texas. Carl was as much of a maverick as Ferry Carpenter or more. He was one of the most decorated veterans from WW2. He had basically Anxiety 4th cattle but were not straight enough to be in the temple.
To be continued.
Continued from dwarfism.
Carl Martin had a great ranch just out of Menard, Texas. Carl took me on almost like a son for about 10 years in the late 60s and early 70s. I visited his ranch every year and he came to mine a couple of times. The first three years I spent just trying to convince him to sell me a bull. I guess he thought I was a spy from the AHA crowd who he hated. He finally let me have Prince Blanchard 170, a Mischief Return, Lamplighter. 170 was pretty femine but really bred outstanding females that we still have lots of descendents of. Later we got Blanchard Lad 211 and Blanchard Lad 212. These two were much more masculine but still are the foundation sires of our present day females.
During the earlier years of this time the dwarfism thing took an interesting turn. The AHA decided to clean up the mess by indentifying all the carriers by a pedigree check. The other alternative was a progeny test accomplished by breeding a bull to at least 15 of his own daughters and then if there were no dwarfs the bull could be called clean. Both methods were successful but the AHA never sanctioned the progeny test which left a cloud over the cattle that were cleared that way. The argument raged on over the merits of both methods for years much like the Polled Horned argument of today with just as much passion, animosity, and unrelenting. Our cattle were pedigree clean but many of our friends went the other way. I got caught some when I purchased some cows that were progeny clean but I had to put them in the commercials.
Carl Martin had a great ranch just out of Menard, Texas. Carl took me on almost like a son for about 10 years in the late 60s and early 70s. I visited his ranch every year and he came to mine a couple of times. The first three years I spent just trying to convince him to sell me a bull. I guess he thought I was a spy from the AHA crowd who he hated. He finally let me have Prince Blanchard 170, a Mischief Return, Lamplighter. 170 was pretty femine but really bred outstanding females that we still have lots of descendents of. Later we got Blanchard Lad 211 and Blanchard Lad 212. These two were much more masculine but still are the foundation sires of our present day females.
During the earlier years of this time the dwarfism thing took an interesting turn. The AHA decided to clean up the mess by indentifying all the carriers by a pedigree check. The other alternative was a progeny test accomplished by breeding a bull to at least 15 of his own daughters and then if there were no dwarfs the bull could be called clean. Both methods were successful but the AHA never sanctioned the progeny test which left a cloud over the cattle that were cleared that way. The argument raged on over the merits of both methods for years much like the Polled Horned argument of today with just as much passion, animosity, and unrelenting. Our cattle were pedigree clean but many of our friends went the other way. I got caught some when I purchased some cows that were progeny clean but I had to put them in the commercials.
Idaman,I am not a Hereford guy but I greatly admire longterm focused breeding programs and have greatly enjoyed your posts and your story so far.In chapter one you mentioned the CK ranch and I am assuming that is the Kansas operation but it made me think of the CK brand in Montana and wondered what you knew of that herd.Don't mean to get you off subject and if you answer me please get back to your story asap.
djinwa
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I am but a small-time amateur, but I also greatly enjoy reading your posts - lots of history and issues I didn't know about, and the effort it takes to make good cattle.
I hope the problems with posting here don't limit your writing. I have been frustrated before when spending alot of time writing and hit the submit button and it doesn't work and my words disappear. I've learned before hitting submit, to highlight the writing, right click and copy, then if it doesn't work you have it saved and can re-open a new blank field and paste what you have.
My other thought is that you just made a nice outline for the book you should write. So you could start writing in a Word program and then just copy and paste tidbits over to here.
I hope the problems with posting here don't limit your writing. I have been frustrated before when spending alot of time writing and hit the submit button and it doesn't work and my words disappear. I've learned before hitting submit, to highlight the writing, right click and copy, then if it doesn't work you have it saved and can re-open a new blank field and paste what you have.
My other thought is that you just made a nice outline for the book you should write. So you could start writing in a Word program and then just copy and paste tidbits over to here.
Continued.
After the Martin bulls we purchased two Anxiety 4th bulls from Eaton Becker of Wilsall, Montana. These bulls were Axtell bred and had more size than what we had had. One of the bulls was a full brother of his 80th bull that he relied on so much in his later years.
Next came a son of Chris Jacobsens big cow and later a full brother to him from the Hunter herd dispersion. These were pretty large bulls with the one from Chris being much larger. These cattle really produced a lot of females for us.
At this time we moved from Colorado to British Columbia and we moved our purebreds with us. We had a terrible time with the blue tongue testing which was no more than a trade barrier by the Canadians. This move forced a change in our breeding direction because of the colder weather. The Martin cattle just wouldn't do under those conditions but needless to say the Becker cattle and the Jacobsen cattle did great.The more we were away from a the straight Martin animal then the next generations did very well. They were also a very different phenotype than the Canadian cattle we were around. For commercial cattle we bought an entire herd of local cows we called the TJ cows. They were great range cows and moved right in and went to work. The ONLY problem we had with them was getting their daughters to rebreed after their first calf but this was the fault of the ranch and the environment.
At this time I had to learn to market under the BC marketing conditions which were complicated by the distance to the feedlots in Alberta and Ontario. You needed to sell cattle in load lots so that a load didn't have to be put together for the long haul. With my experience in marketing uniform cattle influenced by my working in the Denver carloads for M&M I decided that that would work again. There was a big, 20,000 head auction put on in September around Kamloops called the Panorama. We consigned several hundred steers to that sale. When the time came we sorted the steers in very uniform load lots and told the sale barn that we wanted them run right off of our trucks into the ring for sale. To our surprise they topped the sale and that even more convinced me that uniformity was money in my pocket and we bred the purebred cattle with that in mind. We needed about 50 bulls for turnout there and at one time we had 50 3/4 to 15/16 brothers to be used on the commercial cows. Without our own purebred cows we could never had gotten that done.
One of the buyers of our Panorama loads was agreat old cattle buyer by the name of Lew Williams that really took us under his arm and from then bought everything we sold and did all of our order buying. Lew asked me one fall, that we had several hundred calves in a feedlot in Kamloops, if we would let him use small numbers of our calves to fill out those big eastern loads. He guaranteed to pay us a premiun and buy what we had left at the end of the shipping season. We agreed and did very well with this arragement. One time we had a few one eyed and crippled heifers left so Lew said that he wanted to sent them to a little Saturday pig market sale that did very well on ditch bank calves. We agreed and the local pig farmer hauled them about 60 miles to the sale. When Lew got the check he called me and we had a great laugh, Those heifers averaged nearly $1.34 a pound even back then. We decided that they sold so well out of sympathy from the ditch bank people.
After the Martin bulls we purchased two Anxiety 4th bulls from Eaton Becker of Wilsall, Montana. These bulls were Axtell bred and had more size than what we had had. One of the bulls was a full brother of his 80th bull that he relied on so much in his later years.
Next came a son of Chris Jacobsens big cow and later a full brother to him from the Hunter herd dispersion. These were pretty large bulls with the one from Chris being much larger. These cattle really produced a lot of females for us.
At this time we moved from Colorado to British Columbia and we moved our purebreds with us. We had a terrible time with the blue tongue testing which was no more than a trade barrier by the Canadians. This move forced a change in our breeding direction because of the colder weather. The Martin cattle just wouldn't do under those conditions but needless to say the Becker cattle and the Jacobsen cattle did great.The more we were away from a the straight Martin animal then the next generations did very well. They were also a very different phenotype than the Canadian cattle we were around. For commercial cattle we bought an entire herd of local cows we called the TJ cows. They were great range cows and moved right in and went to work. The ONLY problem we had with them was getting their daughters to rebreed after their first calf but this was the fault of the ranch and the environment.
At this time I had to learn to market under the BC marketing conditions which were complicated by the distance to the feedlots in Alberta and Ontario. You needed to sell cattle in load lots so that a load didn't have to be put together for the long haul. With my experience in marketing uniform cattle influenced by my working in the Denver carloads for M&M I decided that that would work again. There was a big, 20,000 head auction put on in September around Kamloops called the Panorama. We consigned several hundred steers to that sale. When the time came we sorted the steers in very uniform load lots and told the sale barn that we wanted them run right off of our trucks into the ring for sale. To our surprise they topped the sale and that even more convinced me that uniformity was money in my pocket and we bred the purebred cattle with that in mind. We needed about 50 bulls for turnout there and at one time we had 50 3/4 to 15/16 brothers to be used on the commercial cows. Without our own purebred cows we could never had gotten that done.
One of the buyers of our Panorama loads was agreat old cattle buyer by the name of Lew Williams that really took us under his arm and from then bought everything we sold and did all of our order buying. Lew asked me one fall, that we had several hundred calves in a feedlot in Kamloops, if we would let him use small numbers of our calves to fill out those big eastern loads. He guaranteed to pay us a premiun and buy what we had left at the end of the shipping season. We agreed and did very well with this arragement. One time we had a few one eyed and crippled heifers left so Lew said that he wanted to sent them to a little Saturday pig market sale that did very well on ditch bank calves. We agreed and the local pig farmer hauled them about 60 miles to the sale. When Lew got the check he called me and we had a great laugh, Those heifers averaged nearly $1.34 a pound even back then. We decided that they sold so well out of sympathy from the ditch bank people.
Herefords.US
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Idaman, you just brought up another breeder that I'd love to learn more about - Eaton Becker. I met him once but didn't get to talk to him long. The first AI work I did was using semen from BHR Young Axtell 80. I know someone who still has 80th semen on hand and is using it to perpetuate what few Anxiety 4th cattle are left (besides Lents herd)
George
George
Hereford.US - I have wondered since your post about splitting with your father over the Anxiety 4th issue why you didn't both just compromise and go for a Becker bull for the size and still stay in the temple. The bull I owned and used was a full brother to the 80th but a few years younger. I would love to get in contact with your friend that has 80th semen and see if he might have a bull we could use and go back a bit into the past with our cows. I sure wouldn't be afraid of using another Becker type bull.
My experiences with Eaton Becker were very limited as I was only there one time when I bought the bulls. He was a very tall and crusty individual but he was suffering from cancer so our stay and conversation was very limited. I fell in love with his cows and just had to have a bull. I picked the best looking yearling he had but the 80th brother kept bothering me so I broke down and bought him as well even though he didn't have as much eye appeal. You know the rest of the story that he was by far the best breeder. I am sure Eaton must have died shortly after we were there and I kind of lost track of the cattle. We followed those bulls with the Jacobsen bulls and then that herd dispersed under Wade.
My experiences with Eaton Becker were very limited as I was only there one time when I bought the bulls. He was a very tall and crusty individual but he was suffering from cancer so our stay and conversation was very limited. I fell in love with his cows and just had to have a bull. I picked the best looking yearling he had but the 80th brother kept bothering me so I broke down and bought him as well even though he didn't have as much eye appeal. You know the rest of the story that he was by far the best breeder. I am sure Eaton must have died shortly after we were there and I kind of lost track of the cattle. We followed those bulls with the Jacobsen bulls and then that herd dispersed under Wade.
The Franklin Nash cattle we started our cows from were very hearty cattle. A little on the smaller side but maybe moderate today. They were originally wintered out at 9000 feet so they were doers. That herd is still somewhat intact in Kansas under the Deewall Family name. Mrs. Deewall was Franklins daughter. In the later years they used a bull called The Arrow who was very L1 and moved away from their original Pres. Mischief lines which were so linebred. I could buy L1 bulls anywhere so that dampened my interest in that line.
Franklin and I did a lot together in the 60s and 70s. We started a bull test called Hereford Bulls Inc. together and ran it for a few years. We only tested Hereford bulls and then had a sale. Franklin was still so adamant on the clean by pedigree issue that he originally only wanted pedigree clean bulls but the numbers just forced him to compromise.
The Nash cattle had an attitude problem that I understand has been corrected by the L1s. We still get a killer calf once in a while even though they are at least 3 generations removed. Our best old cow had gentle heifers but killer bulls. We really wanted to use one of her calves and did but his daughters would hunt you up.
Franklin and I did a lot together in the 60s and 70s. We started a bull test called Hereford Bulls Inc. together and ran it for a few years. We only tested Hereford bulls and then had a sale. Franklin was still so adamant on the clean by pedigree issue that he originally only wanted pedigree clean bulls but the numbers just forced him to compromise.
The Nash cattle had an attitude problem that I understand has been corrected by the L1s. We still get a killer calf once in a while even though they are at least 3 generations removed. Our best old cow had gentle heifers but killer bulls. We really wanted to use one of her calves and did but his daughters would hunt you up.
1914 Hereford
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Idaman,
It is good to hear from you and about what you have been up to, since leaving Colo. We are new to the boards, but have been following them for some time. There have been times that we have wanted to jump in, and finally took the bull by the horns, and are actually posting a reply. We have had some Franklin Nash Cattle since 1991 and can honestly testify that we have never had a problem with disposition. I think it has to do with how they are handled. We are around them a lot, don't own a horse, and wouldn't keep the best one, if we couldn't handle it. They are smart cattle, learn fast and are super easy to handle.
When Franklin introduced The Arrow, he did it with the ultimate enthusiasm, and never looked back. The Arrow, traced directly back to Advance Domino 20 in 8 generations. The Arrow was out of a super good cow and contributed in a big way, to the Nash herd for 13 years. He crossed extremely well on the Nash linebred cattle. If the Arrow hadn't been a superior individual, he wouldn't have gotten a second glance from Franklin, let alone 13 breeding seasons!
Franklin followed The Arrow with ADV Z 146, who was a son of Triple Pres, out of a Misch Real daughter. Both Triple Pres and Misch Real traced directly back to Pres Misch 68, one of Franklin's foundation sires. The Arrow and ADV Z146( Z146 has been pictured on these boards several times) complimented each other in many crosses.
It was Franklin's belief, that ever so often, he needed to bring in a partial out cross bull, that traced back to his breeding.
It is good to hear from you and about what you have been up to, since leaving Colo. We are new to the boards, but have been following them for some time. There have been times that we have wanted to jump in, and finally took the bull by the horns, and are actually posting a reply. We have had some Franklin Nash Cattle since 1991 and can honestly testify that we have never had a problem with disposition. I think it has to do with how they are handled. We are around them a lot, don't own a horse, and wouldn't keep the best one, if we couldn't handle it. They are smart cattle, learn fast and are super easy to handle.
When Franklin introduced The Arrow, he did it with the ultimate enthusiasm, and never looked back. The Arrow, traced directly back to Advance Domino 20 in 8 generations. The Arrow was out of a super good cow and contributed in a big way, to the Nash herd for 13 years. He crossed extremely well on the Nash linebred cattle. If the Arrow hadn't been a superior individual, he wouldn't have gotten a second glance from Franklin, let alone 13 breeding seasons!
Franklin followed The Arrow with ADV Z 146, who was a son of Triple Pres, out of a Misch Real daughter. Both Triple Pres and Misch Real traced directly back to Pres Misch 68, one of Franklin's foundation sires. The Arrow and ADV Z146( Z146 has been pictured on these boards several times) complimented each other in many crosses.
It was Franklin's belief, that ever so often, he needed to bring in a partial out cross bull, that traced back to his breeding.
1914 Hereford - Welcome to the discussion. I am interested in your involvment with the Nash Cattle.
I made quite a long post about my experiences with Franklin and his cattle which were very extensive. I lost the post but will have a go at redoing it tomorrow.
Just believe me that prior to The Arrow they were definitely wild. It was a known fact at the time all over Colorado.
I made quite a long post about my experiences with Franklin and his cattle which were very extensive. I lost the post but will have a go at redoing it tomorrow.
Just believe me that prior to The Arrow they were definitely wild. It was a known fact at the time all over Colorado.
JHH
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I am reading every line. Very interesting Please continue.
Ned Jr - Thanks for the picture. I sure do recognize those Sangre De Cristos. We ranched for 110 years right at their base. I also recognize the snow but not not with as much fondness. I couldn't help but notice the cattle that looked with the lighting to be all or mostly straight hereford. If you provided the owners name I am sure to know something about them if they are oldtimers.
Herefords.US
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Idaman":2mg5ai89 said:
Ned, are you an "oldtimer" yet? :lol: :lol:
Idaman, Ned's got a really good herd of Line 1 cattle that you should see if you get an opportunity to go back "home" sometime.
George
Back to the Nash, wild cattle discussion. I really knew an awful lot about Franklin as we were partners and friends for over 20 years.
Together we started a bull test that we called Hereford Bulls Inc. We operated that endeavor for several years in the early 70s with the help of a young OSU grad. that was without a doubt the smartest cattlemen I ever knew. Franklin said the young man had a mind like a steel trap. We traveled together all the time and bought bulls together at dispersions as he was always looking for a good out cross and I enjoyed the trip and conversations. He had a hard time sleeping so rather than wake me up he would take the TV into the bathroom set it on the tub and sit on the toilet. We always laughed that at that time of night he was probably watching the color pattern.
Franklin had some neighbors, friends, and customers that did most of his horse cattle work for him. They were as good at that as I have ever seen. The Dilleys. One time they were helping him put his herd bulls out with the cows when one old bull refused to go and really got on the fight. They tried for several hours to get the bull out but finally had to give up. Franklin told them not to worry he would take care of it the next day. The next day he took his old Dodge Power Wagon amd hit the bull in the ribs which toppled him over. Franklin then drove the Power Wagon right up on top of the downed bull, climbed out of the truck, hooked a chain around the bulls horns, and dragged him to the proper pasture where he proceeded to die. I am not sure what bull it was as the incident was before my involvment and was relayed to me by the Dilleys.
I owned several Nash bulls either outright or in partnership with Franklin.They were 110, 125, 155, and Golden Advance. One time as I was moving 110 from one corral to the next he whirled around and pinned me to the fence. Luckily for me his horns were high enough for me to fit in between them and when his horns hit the poles on the fence they kept me from being crushed. This came as a complete surprise to me as he had never shown those tendencies before and was totally quiet at the time. Another time when I unloaded him from a trailer into the cow pasture he put me up on top of the trailer. That time I was ready for him and got away. Needless to say we both quit using the bull after that. Believe me they could be tough. I have heard from others who knew the cattle very well that the Arrow fixed that particular problem.
We also bought several bulls from breeders that had used his old 068 bull and a few others.
Franklin and I kind of fell out in later years, primarily over another customer and friend of his that I knew to be a complete cow thief.
Together we started a bull test that we called Hereford Bulls Inc. We operated that endeavor for several years in the early 70s with the help of a young OSU grad. that was without a doubt the smartest cattlemen I ever knew. Franklin said the young man had a mind like a steel trap. We traveled together all the time and bought bulls together at dispersions as he was always looking for a good out cross and I enjoyed the trip and conversations. He had a hard time sleeping so rather than wake me up he would take the TV into the bathroom set it on the tub and sit on the toilet. We always laughed that at that time of night he was probably watching the color pattern.
Franklin had some neighbors, friends, and customers that did most of his horse cattle work for him. They were as good at that as I have ever seen. The Dilleys. One time they were helping him put his herd bulls out with the cows when one old bull refused to go and really got on the fight. They tried for several hours to get the bull out but finally had to give up. Franklin told them not to worry he would take care of it the next day. The next day he took his old Dodge Power Wagon amd hit the bull in the ribs which toppled him over. Franklin then drove the Power Wagon right up on top of the downed bull, climbed out of the truck, hooked a chain around the bulls horns, and dragged him to the proper pasture where he proceeded to die. I am not sure what bull it was as the incident was before my involvment and was relayed to me by the Dilleys.
I owned several Nash bulls either outright or in partnership with Franklin.They were 110, 125, 155, and Golden Advance. One time as I was moving 110 from one corral to the next he whirled around and pinned me to the fence. Luckily for me his horns were high enough for me to fit in between them and when his horns hit the poles on the fence they kept me from being crushed. This came as a complete surprise to me as he had never shown those tendencies before and was totally quiet at the time. Another time when I unloaded him from a trailer into the cow pasture he put me up on top of the trailer. That time I was ready for him and got away. Needless to say we both quit using the bull after that. Believe me they could be tough. I have heard from others who knew the cattle very well that the Arrow fixed that particular problem.
We also bought several bulls from breeders that had used his old 068 bull and a few others.
Franklin and I kind of fell out in later years, primarily over another customer and friend of his that I knew to be a complete cow thief.
Another time we in Dalhart, Texas overnight on our way to Amarillo where he bought an Onward Herd bull. Franklin was always up and out earlier than me and he would invariably go out, start our car, race the engine, and sit there reading an early paper.
This particular morning we had another friend of mine along and we dreamed up the bright idea of calling the motel manager and complaining about an obnoxious driver out front of our unit disturbing our rest. We peeked out the window and watched the lady motel manager come marching out and really ream Franklin out. We were dying laughing and had a tough time at breakfast when he told us about his misfortune. We never told him just what had transpired.
I have tons of other stories about Franklin that I might share sometime if I don't hear back from his family.
This particular morning we had another friend of mine along and we dreamed up the bright idea of calling the motel manager and complaining about an obnoxious driver out front of our unit disturbing our rest. We peeked out the window and watched the lady motel manager come marching out and really ream Franklin out. We were dying laughing and had a tough time at breakfast when he told us about his misfortune. We never told him just what had transpired.
I have tons of other stories about Franklin that I might share sometime if I don't hear back from his family.
Herefords.US
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Idaman":15bjywzh said:
Keep 'em all coming! :clap: :clap:
I had heard the tales through the years regarding the temperment of Franklin Nash's cattle. And, from the stories I've heard on the man, he must have been a really interesting fella'! Probably deserving of a book from someone that knew him well!
But I know some that post here at CT have actually seen Deewall's cattle firsthand, and purchased some, and they haven't mentioned any disposition problems with them. From the pictures, I sure like the looks of their cattle.
George
