Chevy's 3.0-liter diesel Silverado 1500.............

[jltrent]

Chevy's 3.0-liter diesel-equipped Silverado 1500 finally gets pricing, but is it worth it?


The new Duramax unit will find a home first in the 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and to get it, you're going to have to pay just as much as if you'd specced the 6.2-liter V8. That means it's a $3,890 premium over the 2.7-liter turbo four-cylinder and just a hair under $2,500 more than the smaller 5.3-liter V8.

What are you sacrificing by going with the new inline-six cylinder diesel over the well-proven and decidedly excellent 6.2-liter V8 gasser? To start with, it's rated at 277 horsepower and 460 foot-pounds of torque compared with 420 hp and an identical torque rating in the V8.

The diesel makes peak torque at a much lower engine speed and maintains it from 1,500 to 3,000 rpm while the gasoline engine doesn't hit its peak torque figure until 4,100 rpm. Both models have 10-speed automatic transmissions with tow/haul modes, so both should have little trouble keeping in their powerband when load demands it.

Usually, the reason one makes the switch to diesel from gas (in addition to increased torque) is the bump in fuel economy. Diesels are typically more efficient than their gasoline counterparts, and we'd expect that to play out here as well, especially given the displacement difference between the two engines.

GM hasn't offered economy figures for the 3.0-liter Duramax, but we already know that the 6.2-liter engine has the ability to shut down as many as seven of its cylinders under low load conditions, and is surprisingly frugal -- comparing favorably with the 4.3-liter V6 engine also offered in the Silverado 1500 -- so the delta likely won't be vast.

So, much as is the case with Ford's new six-cylinder PowerStroke diesel, you really have to want a diesel engine to justify the expense. Diesel fuel, remember, is typically more expensive than gasoline and service on diesel vehicles is slightly pricier too.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/chevys-30-liter-diesel-equipped-silverado-1500-finally-gets-pricing-but-is-it-worth-it/ar-AACoubW?li=BBnb4R5

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Plus you have to buy a butt ugly truck to get it.

 

[Brute 23]

The mirrors and grill and those new trucks kill me. The GMC grill is not near as bad... but the mirrors

The funniest meme I have see on them was... This is what happens when a Dodge and a Ford really love each other :lol:

 

[True Grit Farms]

You need to be nuts to buy a new diesel pick up, or have more money than brains.

 

[Nesikep]

You need to be nuts to buy a new diesel pick up, or have more money than brains.

yeah, as well as they perform, the expenses when stuff goes wrong really scares me from new diesels... Right now our diesel is considerably cheaper than our take-it-up-the-arse gas prices.. I'll keep my old 12V for a long time yet

 

[Named'em Tamed'em]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

 

[True Grit Farms]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

My old 99 powerstroke pulls 14k like a day off, and can stop it most of the time. The cost and maintenance of the DEF system and the EPA bs has the ruined diesel truck. And with how strong the gas engines, transmissions and braking are in the new trucks, a diesel is more of a want than a need anymore.

 

[True Grit Farms]

You need to be nuts to buy a new diesel pick up, or have more money than brains.

yeah, as well as they perform, the expenses when stuff goes wrong really scares me from new diesels... Right now our diesel is considerably cheaper than our take-it-up-the-arse gas prices.. I'll keep my old 12V for a long time yet

I was wondering how much cheaper is fuel than gas in Canada?

 

[cfpinz]

I would have never thought GM would go with an inline 6 cylinder for a diesel choice, that surprises me a good bit.

I'm not seeing the fuel savings with diesel pickups that I did 20 years ago. I picked up a new Ford last fall with the 6.7 PS in it and it consistently gets the worst mileage of any truck I've ever owned, other than that I like it so far. Hauling hay for the last couple weeks at 34k gross it averaged upper 8's, best I've seen empty (shade under 10k with bale bed) was 11ish. The 8 doesn't bother me, but 11 empty is horrible.

 

[True Grit Farms]

I would have never thought GM would go with an inline 6 cylinder for a diesel choice, that surprises me a good bit.

I'm not seeing the fuel savings with diesel pickups that I did 20 years ago. I picked up a new Ford last fall with the 6.7 PS in it and it consistently gets the worst mileage of any truck I've ever owned, other than that I like it so far. Hauling hay for the last couple weeks at 34k gross it averaged upper 8's, best I've seen empty (shade under 10k with bale bed) was 11ish. The 8 doesn't bother me, but 11 empty is horrible.

4.56 rear? What I don't understand is how can our Ram get over 22 mpg empty and then only 8 mpg towing 30k.

 

[tom4018]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

Amazes me your diesel is cheaper, here it at least 30 cents higher.

 

[Silver]

I would have never thought GM would go with an inline 6 cylinder for a diesel choice, that surprises me a good bit.

I'm not seeing the fuel savings with diesel pickups that I did 20 years ago. I picked up a new Ford last fall with the 6.7 PS in it and it consistently gets the worst mileage of any truck I've ever owned, other than that I like it so far. Hauling hay for the last couple weeks at 34k gross it averaged upper 8's, best I've seen empty (shade under 10k with bale bed) was 11ish. The 8 doesn't bother me, but 11 empty is horrible.

11 empty is horrible. I have a 2017 6.7 PS and get better than 20 mpg empty. Couple of weeks ago took my lq horse trailer and two horses 1200 miles all in the mountains and averaged 12 mpg. Trailer loaded probably 15,000 lbs.
I wonder if your problem is gearing (like TG mentioned) or something the dealer can address.

 

[cfpinz]

I would have never thought GM would go with an inline 6 cylinder for a diesel choice, that surprises me a good bit.

I'm not seeing the fuel savings with diesel pickups that I did 20 years ago. I picked up a new Ford last fall with the 6.7 PS in it and it consistently gets the worst mileage of any truck I've ever owned, other than that I like it so far. Hauling hay for the last couple weeks at 34k gross it averaged upper 8's, best I've seen empty (shade under 10k with bale bed) was 11ish. The 8 doesn't bother me, but 11 empty is horrible.

4.56 rear? What I don't understand is how can our Ram get over 22 mpg empty and then only 8 mpg towing 30k.

4.10's. It's a single cab F350 dually, every Ford diesel I've owned except for one has had 4.10's - just meshes well with the V8 diesel for our area and purpose. Had an old 6.9 one time with 3.55's, it was pretty sickly.

If I ever rip the rear out of my old '96 F350 that I feed with, I've been kicking around the idea of going back with 4.56's or 4.88's. It seldom goes over a half hour from home anymore.

 

[cfpinz]

11 empty is horrible. I have a 2017 6.7 PS and get better than 20 mpg empty. Couple of weeks ago took my lq horse trailer and two horses 1200 miles all in the mountains and averaged 12 mpg. Trailer loaded probably 15,000 lbs.
I wonder if your problem is gearing (like TG mentioned) or something the dealer can address.

Duals usually knock off 2 mpg from my experience, plus this one has a Hydrabed on it and that usually knocks a couple off. As good as it pulls and such, I'm not touching it. There's other trucks here to use if fuel mileage is a concern.

I've talked with a friend of mine that works on these things for a living - once either the warranty runs out or I'm comfortable with this engine, I'd like to delete the emissions and see how much that helps the mileage.

My wife's 6.7 Dodge gets almost identical mileage as your truck, it's a single wheel with the 4 doors.

 

[Caustic Burno]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

Amazes me your diesel is cheaper, here it at least 30 cents higher.

Called taxes

 

[Brute 23]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

2.5g of def should go further than 1000 miles

 

[Named'em Tamed'em]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

2.5g of def should go further than 1000 miles

You are correct, I checked my book every 2000 miles. :tiphat:

 

[Chevy]

Chevy's 3.0-liter diesel-equipped Silverado 1500 finally gets pricing, but is it worth it?


The new Duramax unit will find a home first in the 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and to get it, you're going to have to pay just as much as if you'd specced the 6.2-liter V8. That means it's a $3,890 premium over the 2.7-liter turbo four-cylinder and just a hair under $2,500 more than the smaller 5.3-liter V8.

What are you sacrificing by going with the new inline-six cylinder diesel over the well-proven and decidedly excellent 6.2-liter V8 gasser? To start with, it's rated at 277 horsepower and 460 foot-pounds of torque compared with 420 hp and an identical torque rating in the V8.

The diesel makes peak torque at a much lower engine speed and maintains it from 1,500 to 3,000 rpm while the gasoline engine doesn't hit its peak torque figure until 4,100 rpm. Both models have 10-speed automatic transmissions with tow/haul modes, so both should have little trouble keeping in their powerband when load demands it.

Usually, the reason one makes the switch to diesel from gas (in addition to increased torque) is the bump in fuel economy. Diesels are typically more efficient than their gasoline counterparts, and we'd expect that to play out here as well, especially given the displacement difference between the two engines.

GM hasn't offered economy figures for the 3.0-liter Duramax, but we already know that the 6.2-liter engine has the ability to shut down as many as seven of its cylinders under low load conditions, and is surprisingly frugal -- comparing favorably with the 4.3-liter V6 engine also offered in the Silverado 1500 -- so the delta likely won't be vast.

So, much as is the case with Ford's new six-cylinder PowerStroke diesel, you really have to want a diesel engine to justify the expense. Diesel fuel, remember, is typically more expensive than gasoline and service on diesel vehicles is slightly pricier too.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/chevys-30-liter-diesel-equipped-silverado-1500-finally-gets-pricing-but-is-it-worth-it/ar-AACoubW?li=BBnb4R5

The spring style lifters they use to shut off them cylinders off aren't reliable. Half the people I know with that style truck their cylinders are broke including our suburban.

I like a Duramax. My husband sold ours we had a very years ago so I brought 3 more. Who wears the pants at your house. I don't like the grill in the new ones, it's okay cause we can't afford one either. And if we could guess I'd just drive the ugly thing. Maybe it grow on me in a few years. It's just different for sure.

 

[Lucky]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

My old 99 powerstroke pulls 14k like a day off, and can stop it most of the time. The cost and maintenance of the DEF system and the EPA bs has the ruined diesel truck. And with how strong the gas engines, transmissions and braking are in the new trucks, a diesel is more of a want than a need anymore.

Have you pulled a heavy load with a newer diesel? There's a reason they cost so much.

 

[True Grit Farms]

My new work rig is a 2018 Duramax HD3500 dually. So far, so good plenty of power and I'm always pulling 14k trailer . Mileage is a steady 12+mpg, and diesel is cheaper than gas .

I add 2.5 gal jug of DEF every 1000 miles, $8.99 :2cents:

My old 99 powerstroke pulls 14k like a day off, and can stop it most of the time. The cost and maintenance of the DEF system and the EPA bs has the ruined diesel truck. And with how strong the gas engines, transmissions and braking are in the new trucks, a diesel is more of a want than a need anymore.

Have you pulled a heavy load with a newer diesel? There's a reason they cost so much.

Yes I have a 2013 Ram 3500, it's deleted and tuned at well over a 1000lbs of torque and right at 500hp on a dyno. It will out run my old powerstroke pulling an empty 35' gooseneck trailer. But the old powerstroke will still get there just not as fast.