Need Help Finding a Good Stud to Breed To

[wrightwayangus]

Hello All,

I have a couple of really nice Quarter Horse mares that I am looking to have bred. You can see the mare's pedigrees on our website http://www.wrightwayangus.com Both are very nice in the ring and on the ranch. I have a few ideas, but I wanted to see what ya ll recommend. I am looking for something that is performing well in the ring for any or hopefully all: cutting, reining, and roping. I want a stud with a very calm disposition. These mare's are hopefully the begining of a small herd for us here on the ranch and we will see where we go from there. We have been fortunate in the past to have some of our past horses in the National Finals as hazen horses (Two Eyed Jack bred) and we are hoping to expand into other parts of the equine world. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

 

[mlazyj]

Cousin look at these folks stud , I have bought a couple of horses from them and they have been cow horse deluxe .http://www.millirontjhorses.com . Take care Bruce Wright

 

[Isomade]

Cousin look at these folks stud , I have bought a couple of horses from them and they have been cow horse deluxe .http://www.millirontjhorses.com . Take care Bruce Wright

I like the buckskin gelding they have for sale.

 

[chippie]

I don't know what your price range is, however the 6666 Ranch has some nice stallions in their line up plus they ship semen.

Personally, I like Genuine Masterpiece http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/genuine-masterpiece.html

PG Gunpowder
http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/pg-gunpowder.html

Seven From Heaven http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/seven-from-heaven.html

This is another nice stallion: Red Id Surprise http://www.rainbow1ranch.com/rainhank.htm

this stallion produces good minded using horses, and he is an opportunity to breed to well known proven older genetics.

Peppy Sol Anson http://www.rainbow1ranch.com/rainanson.htm

 

[wrightwayangus]

Hey Cousin and Chippie,

I sure appreciate ya ll giving me a response. I looked at those studs and there were some very nice looking bloodlines. I will keep them in mind and have to make a trip down to take a look at them. As I said before I really want to see how the study works and talk with folks who are around him on a regular/semi-regular basis. Hopefully that is not unrealistic, but I figure horse people will be happy to take a little time out to talk horses with another horse person. Love to see any pictures or stories from personal experiences that ya ll have had with any of these studs or other studs. Horror or happy stories appreciated. Thanks everyone!

 

[chippie]

I know the folks at Rainbow One. Good people who have good minded working horses.

What are your ideas about the type of stallion you are looking for? Are you looking for one stallion to breed both mares to, or different stallions for each mare?

One suggestion that I have concerning a stallion for Classy is to look for a horse that ties in well at the neck and has a long sloping shoulder. She appears to tie in low in her profile pic.

 

[wrightwayangus]

Since the mares are so different I would be happy to breed the mares to seperate studs, but I wouldn't mind the same either if I found one that I liked. Both mares always have their heads very low when they are walking out, so I would like to try and keep that trait going for sure. There is a big difference in speed and overall size between the two, so I would keep that in mind when I am looking at a stud. Thanks again for your opinions.

 

[Isomade]

I don't know what your price range is, however the 6666 Ranch has some nice stallions in their line up plus they ship semen.

Personally, I like Genuine Masterpiece http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/genuine-masterpiece.html

PG Gunpowder
http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/pg-gunpowder.html

Seven From Heaven http://6666ranch.com/quarter-horses/stallions/ranch-performance-stallions/seven-from-heaven.html
Wow, that Genuine Masterpiece has some eye appeal.

This is another nice stallion: Red Id Surprise http://www.rainbow1ranch.com/rainhank.htm

this stallion produces good minded using horses, and he is an opportunity to breed to well known proven older genetics.

Peppy Sol Anson http://www.rainbow1ranch.com/rainanson.htm

 

[spinandslide]

Firstly, my advice is always breed to the absolute best you can afford..and IMO, that means if only one mare gets bred per year..but you have a stellar baby..its a good year.

These mares are bred abit different. the top mare looks to have abit of speed/foundation on her..while the bottom mare looks cutter/foundation...

if you are wanting something successful in reining, roping and cutting..try looking at a reined cowhorse or ranch versatility horse..

I would be looking at a stud, for what you want, like this guy..in conformation, ability, and bloodlines.
http://www.horsettp.com/263_Quarter_Horse_Palomino_Peps_Shining_Diamond.php

I can personaly attest the ability on this one, I owned him from weaning to last year..and his mother is a permanant resident at my place...he is currently competing at the EXCA world finals in both the pro and the young guns division, with a youth rider.

 

[wrightwayangus]

Spinandslide he sure is a looker. I agree with you on the idea that one at a time can be beneficial. I am happy to let me little herd work its way up slowly because I want to bring them along nice and slow. I always have plenty of other folks' horses to ride to keep me going, but I want to start marketing my own horses better than I have in the past. So I figured these two mares are a good place to start and if others come up along the way then I will know it, but have to stay with quality and use them.

 

[spinandslide]

Its really neat to "make your own"..as in riding your own horses. We have two fillies who will be gentled this winter that are our horses..its neat to ride these horses, a product of your program..and I know for me, these two fillies are the remains of our breeding program. We bred for awhile, but have determined sheep and cattle are better ventures then breeding horses like we did..and we followed the advice I gave you. We bred to world champions, the market just wasnt sustainable to be doing it..

Not saying we wont breed again..we may in the future..but the horses have become more of a "hobby" now versus a business..

 

[pdfangus]

these are the ones I covet.....

http://wyohancockhorses.net/studs.html

http://bathbros.com/htmlpages/studs.htm

http://www.vistagrandehorses.com/stallions.htm

 

[chippie]

nice choices pdfangus. You have a good eye for good conformation.

 

[spinandslide]

I am still out on Hancock horses..They make good working ranch horses and roping horses..but I just havent seen them really break into the reining and cutting..at a competitive level at least.

The ones Ive been around, save one, could be kinda broncy and hardheaded at times too...I sold a son of Smokin Chic Olena to a guy who'd had Hancocks his entire life as roping horses and for daywork. He said he couldnt beleive how easy it was to break the chic compared to the hancocks he'd had..

 

[pdfangus]

people either love em or they don't.

those who love rave about the dispostions.

Randy Dunn supplied the colts for the road to the Horse colt starting challenge a couple of years ago and the trainers liked em right well I though.

I just think that Blue Apache from Jerry Jeppson is an awesome old horse. but I like a bigg horse.

 

[chippie]

I prefer a horse with a little more muscle and one that ties in better at the neck than the palomino stallion spinandslide posted.
Bloodlines are a good indication of what the horse may be and do, but in my book, a stallion needs to be an outstanding individual in mind, ability and conformation to be worthy of reproducing. Horses can't read a pedigree.

form to function

 

[spinandslide]

Ah, but some horses lines are proven at producing the form which fits a certain function..and so bloodlines ARE something to be considered..espc. when buying a young prospect or breeding.

Bloodlines dont gurantee what you get..but IME, they make breeding less of a crapshoot...I'll put my hard earned money on time tested lines versus an oddball who defyed his lines..

The palomino I posted is, IMO, a potential choice if someone was looking for a reined cowhorse..conformationaly, temperment wise and bloodline wise, hes got it all..again, IMO. If I was looking for a cutter..I'd look at something else..if I was looking for a roping horse, I'd probably look somewhere else..why? because those disaplines have morphed into very different activities, with different attributes for horses who excel in those.

My line of thinking I guess..

If money was no object..not taking into account individual mares..

Id go to this stallion for reining (or depending on the mare, reined cowhorse)
http://www.bigchextocash.com/

I'd go to this stallion for cowhorse..(the sire of the palomino I posted)
http://www.manddperformancehorses.com/LoadPage.asp?iPage=83-54

or even to his sire
http://www.carolrose.com/ShiningSpark.html

Id go to this stallion for cutting
http://oswoodstallionstation.com/onetimepepto.htm

 

[pdfangus]

But if I was doing it for a living and had to do it all.....
And once upon a time I sat a saddle five or six hours every day....

I would go to those Hancocks I posted.

the show ring has a way of morphing things into unreality.....that has always been the problem with the show ring.

for example in cutting they want the show horse to mirror the "cow". they get all excited about big stops and spins....
In the real world you want the horse to dominate the animal and drive it to where you want it to go. not play ping pong with it.

My big grey mare cannot be pastured with cows cause she loves to chase em around for fun. Hard on fences....

 

[spinandslide]

true..

Even if I worked on horseback, Id take something bred like my sorrel mare over a hancock..but again..personal preference. ..I can drink my coffee and not spill a drop while she jogs out..

Alot of the real modern horses arent good for doing actual work..I agree 100%..had a rancher friend of mine come into a shining spark mare..he hated her..she holds her head to low he'd say..she was a product of her breeding..they are wanting those low heads, even in reining today..me personally, I dont like this trend..and why I like reined cowhorse the best out of all the disaplines..I think its one of the only ones thats held true to it's "roots"

 

[wrightwayangus]

I have trained some hancock horses when I was training in Texas. I thought they were good, but I have found other bloodlines that I like better. I am still looking, but I really appreciate ya ll sending me ideas. Keep them coming.