Jeanne - Simme Valley
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"Old saying you want to slip in it not trip over it." :lol: :lol: Never heard that one!!! Love it.
Caustic Burno said:callmefence said:Caustic Burno said:A 21% blend that is 21 lbs of N to the 100 lbs of fertilizer.So you would have to throw 250 lbs per acre to get 52 lbs of N.
That's actually below TAMU's recommendation
http://publications.tamu.edu/FORAGE/PUB_forage_Managing%20of%20Annual%20WInter%20Forages%20in%20SW%20Texas.pdf
That's straight ammonia sulfate.more than Twice the cost of urea. The only reason to use it is if you're trying to correct soil pH. If you don't know what your doing......then your right , just buy hay and bagged feed.
Wrong again it's nitrate not sulfate.
It's all about soil needs to produce forage not the cheapest.
Lucky said:The deal with planting winter forage is all about timing. Most people just don't have the time to hit it just right. Fence is lucky enough to work for himself and have employees that can help get oats in. I feed hay and supplement according to hay quality as a necessity due to time. I have a neighbor that plants oats every year and does well with it but he's a full time farmer. Bottom line is it cost money to feed cows and everyone needs to do what works best in their situation. It's fun to talk about it though and you never know you might even find a better way if you keep an open mind.
bball said:rjbovine said:I agree I should have hay tested . Feeding the corn I'm ok with . I asking more about adding the 34% supplement to the corn . These are fall calving cows with calves on them . Also there isn't much pasture mostly dry lot. Keeping an eye on the poop is a good idea.Thanks rj
This Is TBs area of expertise. However, I will make an attempt to offer a simple understanding. Whole corn is roughly 9% protein. Approximately 65% of that is bypass protein, meaning the cow absorbs it in the small intestine and it is not broken down by the rumen microorganisms. The remaining 35% is used by the fauna in the rumen for their own growth and protein synthesis. Consequently, diets high in corn, in order to optimize the nutrition available from corn, require protein supplementation. Think of it like this, and this is extremely simplistic I know, but essentially the rumen microbes need protein to grow and synthesis additional proteins; so you are feeding the microbes protein so the cow can use the corn in the most ideal way possible. The microbes do the work to break down the corn and you have to feed the microbes if you want them to work.
Burnt Prairie blacktop?rjbovine said:Thanks bball for the explanation . Winter showed up yesterday in Wayne Co. Thanks rj
Jeanne - Simme Valley said:I can get away with feeding corn, because my hay is generally 15-16% protein.
Bright Raven said:Jeanne - Simme Valley said:I can get away with feeding corn, because my hay is generally 15-16% protein.
You cannot find GRASS hay that high here. To get to those levels it requires some alfalfa.
Jeanne - Simme Valley said:I can get away with feeding corn, because my hay is generally 15-16% protein.
rjbovine said:Thanks bball for the explanation . Winter showed up yesterday in Wayne Co. Thanks rj
callmefence said:The pasture the cows are in now. Bermuda grass with Kline and bluestem in the brush.
The plowed ground is oats just starting to peek.
I plowed it up deep because I'm gonna sprig it in February-march. The cows will be moved in a
Few days.
Clover no tilled into Bermuda.
They will be going here oats , notilled into hybrid Sudan. Lots of native grass around this field as well.
Some oats right outside the house. Both me and Dad can hunt from our houses.
Some of my hayfields were planted by my husband about 15 years ago (30 acres) and the 50 acres I rent was planted back in 1987. I think we have frost seeded some clover in it maybe 2-3 times to get a different variety in it. But, clover grows on our ground natural. It's generally a small clover, but it's there. We put up baleage generally about June 7-10. Mostly mixture of grasses, generally "in boot".1982vett said:Bright Raven said:Jeanne - Simme Valley said:I can get away with feeding corn, because my hay is generally 15-16% protein.
You cannot find GRASS hay that high here. To get to those levels it requires some alfalfa.
If I didn't know y'all were in the show cattle business and in a colder climate I'd have to question feeding corn at all with your 15-16% hay.